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"All Lives Matter" is obviously racist. The phrase serves no other purpose than to delegitimize the specific concerns of BLM.
by pcwalton 8y ago
"All Lives Matter" is obviously racist. The phrase serves no other purpose than to delegitimize the specific concerns of BLM.
- leereeves 8y agoMy whole point here is that the problems faced by black people aren't "distinct". White people experience the same problems, even if the white people you know have been fortunate enough not to. More white people than black people are killed by police. More white people are jailed for drug crimes. The per capita rates are lower among "all white people" but the problems aren't evenly distributed; for certain subsets of white people the per capita rates are equally high. The lives of those white people matter as much as the lives of the people BLM cares about.
- dylanhassinger 8y ago> More white people than black people are killed by police. > More white people are jailed for drug crimes. u sure about that
- leereeves 8y agoAccording to Human Rights Watch, 60-70% of people arrested for drug crimes each year between 1980-2007 were white. https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/us0309web_1.pdf https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/us0309web_1.... According to the Washington Post, roughly 50% of people shot by police are white, 25% are black. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shoo...
- tptacek 8y agoYour own citation clearly refutes your argument.
- leereeves 8y agoNo, you're arguing something different. Something I've already acknowledged multiple times. White people are more privileged overall. A fact that doesn't help poor white people at all. Their lives aren't any better just because you're privileged.
- detcader 8y agoHave you ever read Noel Ignatiev's talk "The Point Is Not To Interpret Whiteness But To To Abolish It"? He talks about the issue of the position of poor whites in society, curious how you would feel about it. http://racetraitor.org/abolishthepoint.html http://racetraitor.org/abolishthepoint.html
- leereeves 8y agoI'm in favor of abolishing the concept of race entirely. I used to think that we had a fair chance at achieving a post-racial society, until the left decided that's not what they want, Stephen Colbert mocked the idea, and activists demanded more and more attention be paid to race.
- tptacek 8y agoThere are dramatically more white people than there are black people, so, obviously, the question is whether black people are shot disproportionately more often than white people. Regardless, Rayiner was making a pretty straightforward point, and you've derailed it with a tendentious harangue about Black Lives Matter. Not here, please?
- leereeves 8y agoI've already addressed your first point multiple times. Lumping all white people together ignores the problems faced by specific subgroups of white people. Second point: Rayiner introduced Trayvon Martin and BLM to the discussion, not me. If your objection is to derailing the discussion with an unrelated topic, you should be making it to Rayiner.
- tptacek 8y agoYou're not addressing my point; you're trying to pivot to a different argument to avoid addressing it. You made an innumerate claim upthread; the numbers clearly and obviously refute it.
- leereeves 8y agoI've said the same thing you're saying: > The per capita rates are lower among "all white people" If you're trying to limit the discussion to the argument that black people are less privileged than white people overall, you're doing EXACTLY what I've repeatedly said: ignoring the experiences of less privileged white people who aren't any better off simply because different white people are more privileged; trying to exclude them and their experiences from the discussion.