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I don't know the credibility of this Reddit post, but it might be of interest: https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/91bjlr/school_42_is_a_borderli

I don't know the credibility of this Reddit post, but it might be of interest: https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/91bjlr/school_42_is_a_borderline_cultopinion/ https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/91bjlr/sc...

amatecha 8y ago
Dang, uhh well those anecdotes are pretty damning. I'd love to see a followup/update from Quartz addressing those issues. Unfortunately it seems the article is from September 2017, so I won't hold my breath on that...
- dunpeal 8y ago
  > I'd love to see a followup/update from Quartz addressing those issues. As if Quartz ever held itself to any standards of investigative journalism and wasn't just a glorified blog...
- fyrn 8y ago
  I got a Job after attending the silicon valley branch of 42, I've definitely heard that the french campus is more extream but not to the degree that the post claims. Some of that stuff like examiners playing battleship to remove test takers is pretty far fetched. As for the cat, I have heard rule was not feeding the cat or taking it places because she once got sick from a student feeding her. My evidence is just as annocdotal. But someone who seems to thinks they did not get into the school because they are male might not be the most trustworthy source. One thing he did not mention is that the entry test that lasts a month the "piscine" does not have a limited quota of students. Each branch gets more funding the more students they have, so the only incentive to deny a someone is if they obviously won't be able to handle the work load or have social issues.
nicolas_t 8y ago
Some of those anecdotes do seem pretty far fetched (the cat and battleship) but in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers and the director Nicolas Sadirac is from there. And, that director really has no idea what he's talking about in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGgpwl5O4Q&feature=youtu.be&t=2m31s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGgpwl5O4Q&feature=youtu.be... So, I'm rather skeptical when it comes to Ecole 42. We have great engineering schools in France but the Epita derived schools are really not that great and the only decent graduate I've ever interviewed and hired from one of this school is a self learner who would have been great in any environment.
- erowtom 8y ago
  > in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers Could you explain a bit more? I’m myself from Epitech, and it hurts my feelings :p
  - JohnH42 8y ago
    ... Epita, efrei, supinfo ... great great school everybody know this, in France au moins. ... Epitech is a very special little thing. Sadirac, real old hacker from semantec, build just 20 year the futur of computer school: student become teacher, each test is an automatic correction ... So, 42 is bully, in my opinion, but Epitech remain la crème de la crème.
    - bsaul 8y ago
      You do realize that all the epitech staff, including sadirac himself moved to found ecole 42 years ago ?
  - seren 8y ago
    Take it with a grain of salt, because I worked mainly in the industry (automotive, telecom, medical devices). Generally, a more generic engineer diploma includes some electrical engineering, mechanics, signal processing, and so on. Sometimes there is a bias against Epita/Epitech candidates that they are too focused on CS or IT but not on more generic knowledge. So they are seen are less well rounded candidates overall. Designing/building system is usually not a purely abstract CS problem but requires to take into account real world constraints. On the other hand, I assume that Epita/Epitech candidates are probably better candidate for an environment like a bank or insurance company.
    - Gumcher 8y ago
      EPITA student here, the thing is the majority of the student are not interested by those area, the first half are more interested going to FB, Google, Nvidia etc... or smaller companies but tech oriented than going to big telecom or medical companies like you said. The other half goes to more corporate / consulting companies because it pays well. Like you said Industry does not promote their sector in our school so no one knows about them or what they offer. It's true that EPITA is definetely more CS oriented, but we are definetely capable of designing / building system (in IT), less in telecom / medical and even less in automotive.The reason is really simple it's because we are not passionate about these industries . Btw EPITA is an engineering school not EPITECH so you can't really compare them they are just part of the same group.

amatecha 8y ago

Dang, uhh well those anecdotes are pretty damning. I'd love to see a followup/update from Quartz addressing those issues. Unfortunately it seems the article is from September 2017, so I won't hold my breath on that...

dunpeal 8y ago
> I'd love to see a followup/update from Quartz addressing those issues. As if Quartz ever held itself to any standards of investigative journalism and wasn't just a glorified blog...
fyrn 8y ago
I got a Job after attending the silicon valley branch of 42, I've definitely heard that the french campus is more extream but not to the degree that the post claims. Some of that stuff like examiners playing battleship to remove test takers is pretty far fetched. As for the cat, I have heard rule was not feeding the cat or taking it places because she once got sick from a student feeding her. My evidence is just as annocdotal. But someone who seems to thinks they did not get into the school because they are male might not be the most trustworthy source. One thing he did not mention is that the entry test that lasts a month the "piscine" does not have a limited quota of students. Each branch gets more funding the more students they have, so the only incentive to deny a someone is if they obviously won't be able to handle the work load or have social issues.

nicolas_t 8y ago

Some of those anecdotes do seem pretty far fetched (the cat and battleship) but in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers and the director Nicolas Sadirac is from there. And, that director really has no idea what he's talking about in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGgpwl5O4Q&feature=youtu.be&t=2m31s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGgpwl5O4Q&feature=youtu.be... So, I'm rather skeptical when it comes to Ecole 42. We have great engineering schools in France but the Epita derived schools are really not that great and the only decent graduate I've ever interviewed and hired from one of this school is a self learner who would have been great in any environment.

erowtom 8y ago
> in my experience Epita/Epitech doesn't produce good software engineers Could you explain a bit more? I’m myself from Epitech, and it hurts my feelings :p
- JohnH42 8y ago
  ... Epita, efrei, supinfo ... great great school everybody know this, in France au moins. ... Epitech is a very special little thing. Sadirac, real old hacker from semantec, build just 20 year the futur of computer school: student become teacher, each test is an automatic correction ... So, 42 is bully, in my opinion, but Epitech remain la crème de la crème.
  - bsaul 8y ago
    You do realize that all the epitech staff, including sadirac himself moved to found ecole 42 years ago ?
- seren 8y ago
  Take it with a grain of salt, because I worked mainly in the industry (automotive, telecom, medical devices). Generally, a more generic engineer diploma includes some electrical engineering, mechanics, signal processing, and so on. Sometimes there is a bias against Epita/Epitech candidates that they are too focused on CS or IT but not on more generic knowledge. So they are seen are less well rounded candidates overall. Designing/building system is usually not a purely abstract CS problem but requires to take into account real world constraints. On the other hand, I assume that Epita/Epitech candidates are probably better candidate for an environment like a bank or insurance company.
  - Gumcher 8y ago
    EPITA student here, the thing is the majority of the student are not interested by those area, the first half are more interested going to FB, Google, Nvidia etc... or smaller companies but tech oriented than going to big telecom or medical companies like you said. The other half goes to more corporate / consulting companies because it pays well. Like you said Industry does not promote their sector in our school so no one knows about them or what they offer. It's true that EPITA is definetely more CS oriented, but we are definetely capable of designing / building system (in IT), less in telecom / medical and even less in automotive.The reason is really simple it's because we are not passionate about these industries . Btw EPITA is an engineering school not EPITECH so you can't really compare them they are just part of the same group.