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Doesn't the GDPR require freely given informed consent? Forgetting to set DOTNET_CLI_TELEMETRY_OPTOUT=1 (or being unaware that you must set it) does not consti

by ptx 8y ago

Doesn't the GDPR require freely given informed consent? Forgetting to set DOTNET_CLI_TELEMETRY_OPTOUT=1 (or being unaware that you must set it) does not constitute consent.

gsnedders 8y ago
It requires informed consent for any personal data being processed. It's entirely plausible to have a useful telemetry system without any personal data. (I have no knowledge of what MS does store.)
- justinclift 8y ago
  > I have no knowledge of what MS does store. Nor does anyone outside MS.
zaarn 8y ago
The GDPR only requires consent if it's personal data that is not necessary for doing business. You don't need consent to store the shipping address of a customer and you don't need to consent to run basic analytics on your database to see what products are popular and how many customers you have. You also don't need consent to process the IP address in the TCP connection from the customer browser so you can show a website (though you do need consent if you log the entire IP for analytics purposes).
- ptx 8y ago
  Telemetry is not like storing your shipping address, though. It's more like the delivery guy delivering to your shipping address, waiting for you to turn your back and then rummaging through the stuff in your house – unless you happen to shout the magic phrase "Simon says no telemetry!" as soon as you open the door.
  - zaarn 8y ago
    Not really. It's more like the delivery guy noting how long on average you take to get to the door and the average size of packages with the intention of being able to optimize the delivery route and pick the correct delivery vehicle.
    - justinclift 8y ago
      Since we're just talking telemetry, wouldn't it be more like the delivery guy turning up and taking note of all the contents in your house - including make and model numbers where available - their exact position in each room, which container(s) they're in, the size and position of the nearest windows, and also the make & model number of the alarm system you have. All "to provide you the best delivery service possible". Yeah, right. That's completely above board. Suuuuuuure.
      - zaarn 8y ago
        That depends on your delivery service. There are some that do what you describe, analog. However, not all telemetry is like that, some telemetry does not inspect the inside of your house at all.

by ptx 8y ago

Doesn't the GDPR require freely given informed consent? Forgetting to set DOTNET_CLI_TELEMETRY_OPTOUT=1 (or being unaware that you must set it) does not constitute consent.

gsnedders 8y ago

It requires informed consent for any personal data being processed. It's entirely plausible to have a useful telemetry system without any personal data. (I have no knowledge of what MS does store.)

justinclift 8y ago
> I have no knowledge of what MS does store. Nor does anyone outside MS.

zaarn 8y ago

The GDPR only requires consent if it's personal data that is not necessary for doing business. You don't need consent to store the shipping address of a customer and you don't need to consent to run basic analytics on your database to see what products are popular and how many customers you have. You also don't need consent to process the IP address in the TCP connection from the customer browser so you can show a website (though you do need consent if you log the entire IP for analytics purposes).

ptx 8y ago
Telemetry is not like storing your shipping address, though. It's more like the delivery guy delivering to your shipping address, waiting for you to turn your back and then rummaging through the stuff in your house – unless you happen to shout the magic phrase "Simon says no telemetry!" as soon as you open the door.
- zaarn 8y ago
  Not really. It's more like the delivery guy noting how long on average you take to get to the door and the average size of packages with the intention of being able to optimize the delivery route and pick the correct delivery vehicle.
  - justinclift 8y ago
    Since we're just talking telemetry, wouldn't it be more like the delivery guy turning up and taking note of all the contents in your house - including make and model numbers where available - their exact position in each room, which container(s) they're in, the size and position of the nearest windows, and also the make & model number of the alarm system you have. All "to provide you the best delivery service possible". Yeah, right. That's completely above board. Suuuuuuure.
    - zaarn 8y ago
      That depends on your delivery service. There are some that do what you describe, analog. However, not all telemetry is like that, some telemetry does not inspect the inside of your house at all.