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People who downvote have never had this sort of behavior anywhere near where they live. It's easy to complain about NIMBY's hating public transit when you have

by wowzap 8y ago

People who downvote have never had this sort of behavior anywhere near where they live. It's easy to complain about NIMBY's hating public transit when you have no idea what it's like. Tell me their public transit and food kitchen access is more important than my wife being able to walk to the supermarket without getting hollered at by some bum. Give me a break, people who oppose these aren't heartless, they're facing a reality the keyboard warriors here don't have to face, and a reality that would flip any of these downvoters to the other side in a heartbeat.

SolaceQuantum 8y ago
The wife being hollered at isn't a problem with homelessness; I would consider it a problem with the way women are viewed in society. I don't see the correlation between homelessness and the harassment of women in public spaces. I also have lived by public transport and far from public transport and haven't really noticed a difference in terms of the population of crime or homelessness. The vast majority of the homeless people I met were polite, sitting away from pedestrian traffic with a cup or a cardboard sign, or just verbally begging for money going from train to train. The harassment of women can and does occur anywhere and from any class of people. That is to say, I don't actually understand what is trying to be correlated here, and I feel the dismissive attitudes of people who are pro-transport as to simply not have experienced transport, as if transport itself is so terrible that the only people who would support it are the people who never lived with it, to be disingenuous and not conducive to a productive conversation on the subject. Is it really so unbelievable that I can live in a place with mass transit and actually enjoy the experience?
bendoernberg 8y ago
Their public transit and food kitchen access is more important than your wife being able to walk to the supermarket without getting hollered at.
- wowzap 8y ago
  I'm happy you feel that way, let them pollute the sidewalk of your neighborhood instead.
  - themacguffinman 8y ago
    We're talking about human beings who are neglected by civic institutions and are often mentally ill, using affordable transportation to access food they need to survive. Yeah, great way to show that people who oppose these aren't heartless.
    - true_religion 8y ago
      There has to be a better way to help the mentally ill, than simply giving them cheaper transportation. I feel that is just a bandaid to the gaping wound of a problem.

by wowzap 8y ago

SolaceQuantum 8y ago

The wife being hollered at isn't a problem with homelessness; I would consider it a problem with the way women are viewed in society. I don't see the correlation between homelessness and the harassment of women in public spaces. I also have lived by public transport and far from public transport and haven't really noticed a difference in terms of the population of crime or homelessness. The vast majority of the homeless people I met were polite, sitting away from pedestrian traffic with a cup or a cardboard sign, or just verbally begging for money going from train to train. The harassment of women can and does occur anywhere and from any class of people. That is to say, I don't actually understand what is trying to be correlated here, and I feel the dismissive attitudes of people who are pro-transport as to simply not have experienced transport, as if transport itself is so terrible that the only people who would support it are the people who never lived with it, to be disingenuous and not conducive to a productive conversation on the subject. Is it really so unbelievable that I can live in a place with mass transit and actually enjoy the experience?

bendoernberg 8y ago

Their public transit and food kitchen access is more important than your wife being able to walk to the supermarket without getting hollered at.

wowzap 8y ago
I'm happy you feel that way, let them pollute the sidewalk of your neighborhood instead.
- themacguffinman 8y ago
  We're talking about human beings who are neglected by civic institutions and are often mentally ill, using affordable transportation to access food they need to survive. Yeah, great way to show that people who oppose these aren't heartless.
  - true_religion 8y ago
    There has to be a better way to help the mentally ill, than simply giving them cheaper transportation. I feel that is just a bandaid to the gaping wound of a problem.