No I didn't. When I originally said what I said, I wasn't really comparing PHP against Rails or Django, I was merely stating that there are better ways to get u

No I didn't. When I originally said what I said, I wasn't really comparing PHP against Rails or Django, I was merely stating that there are better ways to get up to speed faster. I then proceeded to give my opinion on the frameworks I've tried in PHP, mostly to be a good sport to you. In any case, PHP with or without framework, feels (to me) like a messy solution with less structure than the usual suspects.