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Positive: Jobs appears to be implying that one of the purposes of this change is that in the future Java will not lag behind on OSX Negative: He gives abso

by zmmmmm 16y ago

Positive: Jobs appears to be implying that one of the purposes of this change is that in the future Java will not lag behind on OSX Negative: He gives absolutely no assurance or even hint that there is a plan that this will really happen, or that Apple will be helpful in facilitating it.

bad_user 16y ago
What assurance can he give when it is not in Apple's power to promise anything about what Oracle would do? I always wondered why SUN wouldn't also ship an OS X version, they already had to support Windows, Linux, Solaris, with mostly native L&F for Swing. You can't expect Oracle to spend resources and ship for OS X unless Apple gets out of the way. They are deprecating Apple's runtime here, nothing else.
- zmmmmm 16y ago
  I'm not talking about a contractual assurance here. There are a million ways he could clear the confusion over this. He could easily have picked up the phone and chatted with Larry about it. It would have been simple for him to get some kind of in principal agreement about a handover of the reins. Then he could easily have made a public statement that let everyone know that some arrangements were in place for Oracle to pick up the ball. Or if Larry's playing hard ball he could tell everyone that Oracle is not picking up the ball - either one would be better than just leaving it unstated.
  - nikster 16y ago
    I don't know, to me it makes a lot of sense that Apple's CEO doesn't unofficially announce Java OS X from Oracle via his iPhone. The man's a professional after all. Apple did their part in dropping their own Java version. Reading these comments, it seems likely Oracle would want to step in.
    - zmmmmm 16y ago
      > Apple's CEO doesn't unofficially announce Java OS X from Oracle Where on earth did I imply that? What would be wrong with: "We intend to offer whatever assistance we can to third party JVM providers ensure that Mac users still have an excellent Java runtime available to them" Instead we have a bold and inflammatory headline saying "Java Deprecation" and on information about whether Java will continue to exist on Macs at all in the future.
- smackfu 16y ago
  Well, Apple could open-source all their Java work, for Oracle to start with.
  - jonhendry 16y ago
    I expect it would be a lot easier, legally, to just transfer the rights to Oracle. "open-sourcing" it isn't necessary.

by zmmmmm 16y ago

bad_user 16y ago

What assurance can he give when it is not in Apple's power to promise anything about what Oracle would do? I always wondered why SUN wouldn't also ship an OS X version, they already had to support Windows, Linux, Solaris, with mostly native L&F for Swing. You can't expect Oracle to spend resources and ship for OS X unless Apple gets out of the way. They are deprecating Apple's runtime here, nothing else.

zmmmmm 16y ago
I'm not talking about a contractual assurance here. There are a million ways he could clear the confusion over this. He could easily have picked up the phone and chatted with Larry about it. It would have been simple for him to get some kind of in principal agreement about a handover of the reins. Then he could easily have made a public statement that let everyone know that some arrangements were in place for Oracle to pick up the ball. Or if Larry's playing hard ball he could tell everyone that Oracle is not picking up the ball - either one would be better than just leaving it unstated.
- nikster 16y ago
  I don't know, to me it makes a lot of sense that Apple's CEO doesn't unofficially announce Java OS X from Oracle via his iPhone. The man's a professional after all. Apple did their part in dropping their own Java version. Reading these comments, it seems likely Oracle would want to step in.
  - zmmmmm 16y ago
    > Apple's CEO doesn't unofficially announce Java OS X from Oracle Where on earth did I imply that? What would be wrong with: "We intend to offer whatever assistance we can to third party JVM providers ensure that Mac users still have an excellent Java runtime available to them" Instead we have a bold and inflammatory headline saying "Java Deprecation" and on information about whether Java will continue to exist on Macs at all in the future.
smackfu 16y ago
Well, Apple could open-source all their Java work, for Oracle to start with.
- jonhendry 16y ago
  I expect it would be a lot easier, legally, to just transfer the rights to Oracle. "open-sourcing" it isn't necessary.