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> There are no concentration camps, sure, ... Are you sure? I keep hearing about these private ICE border prisons with utterly inhumane treatment of detainees.

smsm42 8y ago
The difference between prison and concentration camp is that you have to commit an actual crime to get in prison.
- hef19898 8y ago
  Like asking for political asylum with your family?
  - smsm42 8y ago
    Nobody gets into an immigration detention facility by asking.
    - hef19898 8y ago
      One last reply and I'm done. The US was putting children into detention camps, separated from their parents, regardless of age. Without a plan to reunite them or to keep track of them and their parents. If I set up a "storage strategy" like that ever I would be fired, and I'm talking about screws and stuff like that not people. And now if you can explain me what crime these people comited to not merit due process despite not being US citizens?
    - ppseafield 8y ago
      Most folks that are here illegally are by overstaying a visa, which is not actually a crime.
      - garmaine 8y ago
        Really? I think you are maybe being pedantic about the meaning of the word “crime” if it doesn’t apply here. Overstaying a visa certainly duck types as a crime.
        jhayward 8y ago
        It is literally not a crime. There are criminal immigration offenses, overstaying a visa isn't one of them. Words have meaning. Facts matter.
        garmaine 8y ago
        You overstay your visa you get picked up by the police, you get put in a jail, you go to a court represented by a lawyer and represent your case, and either receive punishment (deportation and banned entry) or achieve a settlement with the state (e.g. asylum or a visa exception). As I said, it duck types as a "crime." Pragmatics matter.
    - jhayward 8y ago
      There are several on-the-record, non-anonymous reports of people presenting themselves at a port of entry and requesting asylum, and ending up with their children taken from them and put in camps[1]. Your comment aligns with the propaganda put out by administration officials wishing to deny this. [1] https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family-separation-and-zero-tolerance-at-the-border https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family...
      - masonic 8y ago
        presenting themselves at a port of entry and requesting asylum Asylum claims are governed by international agreements and require that the applicant present themselves at the first international border they encounter. People crossing multiple borders, or evading border controls, are automatically disqualified. See the UNHCR website.
        cr1895 8y ago
        From USCIS: "To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status. You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States" https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/ob...
        masonic 8y ago
        You can apply for asylum, but that doesn't mean you are eligible to receive asylum: "The asylum officer will determine if you are eligible for asylum by evaluating whether you meet the definition of a refugee. See section 101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). "
burfog 8y ago
Here is a report made immediately after touring one of the places where the kids were imprisoned: https://www.real.video/5834676234001 https://www.real.video/5834676234001 She brought a whole camera crew and intends to produce a documentary. This is just the initial report, evidently done on a cell phone right after she left the facility.

smsm42 8y ago

The difference between prison and concentration camp is that you have to commit an actual crime to get in prison.

hef19898 8y ago
Like asking for political asylum with your family?
- smsm42 8y ago
  Nobody gets into an immigration detention facility by asking.
  - hef19898 8y ago
    One last reply and I'm done. The US was putting children into detention camps, separated from their parents, regardless of age. Without a plan to reunite them or to keep track of them and their parents. If I set up a "storage strategy" like that ever I would be fired, and I'm talking about screws and stuff like that not people. And now if you can explain me what crime these people comited to not merit due process despite not being US citizens?
  - ppseafield 8y ago
    Most folks that are here illegally are by overstaying a visa, which is not actually a crime.
    - garmaine 8y ago
      Really? I think you are maybe being pedantic about the meaning of the word “crime” if it doesn’t apply here. Overstaying a visa certainly duck types as a crime.
      - jhayward 8y ago
        It is literally not a crime. There are criminal immigration offenses, overstaying a visa isn't one of them. Words have meaning. Facts matter.
        garmaine 8y ago
        You overstay your visa you get picked up by the police, you get put in a jail, you go to a court represented by a lawyer and represent your case, and either receive punishment (deportation and banned entry) or achieve a settlement with the state (e.g. asylum or a visa exception). As I said, it duck types as a "crime." Pragmatics matter.
  - jhayward 8y ago
    There are several on-the-record, non-anonymous reports of people presenting themselves at a port of entry and requesting asylum, and ending up with their children taken from them and put in camps[1]. Your comment aligns with the propaganda put out by administration officials wishing to deny this. [1] https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family-separation-and-zero-tolerance-at-the-border https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family...
    - masonic 8y ago
      presenting themselves at a port of entry and requesting asylum Asylum claims are governed by international agreements and require that the applicant present themselves at the first international border they encounter. People crossing multiple borders, or evading border controls, are automatically disqualified. See the UNHCR website.
      - cr1895 8y ago
        From USCIS: "To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status. You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States" https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-united-states https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/ob...
        masonic 8y ago
        You can apply for asylum, but that doesn't mean you are eligible to receive asylum: "The asylum officer will determine if you are eligible for asylum by evaluating whether you meet the definition of a refugee. See section 101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). "

burfog 8y ago

Here is a report made immediately after touring one of the places where the kids were imprisoned: https://www.real.video/5834676234001 https://www.real.video/5834676234001 She brought a whole camera crew and intends to produce a documentary. This is just the initial report, evidently done on a cell phone right after she left the facility.