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Oh, there are a bunch of us, even here in the SF Bay Area. Trouble is, we're older than 35, or don't have degrees from "top" schools, and/or don't have the "pas

Oh, there are a bunch of us, even here in the SF Bay Area. Trouble is, we're older than 35, or don't have degrees from "top" schools, and/or don't have the "passion" for bizarre extended hiring rituals. I could staff an entire dev team with non-male people within a week.

macinjosh 8y ago
I don't have any sort of degree beyond high school and I have been a programmer/engineer for almost 15 years. Do I work at top tech companies? No. But that doesn't mean people like us can't be hired in the industry.
openbasic 8y ago
> we're older than 35, or don't have degrees from "top" schools, and/or don't have the "passion" for bizarre extended hiring rituals This hits home so hard.
jhfhhhf 8y ago
So what do you do now? Btw some men in tech are also over 35 and tired of hiring rituals.
- petsormeat 8y ago
  After 15 years of front-end dev, I now work in retail. Some of my other peers are scraping by with Uber/Lyft. Some are muddling through as housewives or substitute teaching. And, yes, Bay Area tech hiring is needlessly hostile for men over a certain age as well.
  - hamandcheese 8y ago
    I’m a bit confused... surely going through a needlessly bizarre hiring ritual is worth it compared to driving for Uber or being a substitute teacher?
  - jhfhhhf 8y ago
    Ageism, OK - but still I find it hard to believe that you can't find a job if you can code. Maybe competition or demands are especially high in the Bay area?
hamandcheese 8y ago
> I could staff an entire dev team with non-male people within a week. I think the recruiting team at my company would very much be interested in speaking with you.
blub 8y ago
SW engineering can be a pretty brutal job psychologically - there's a reason people are burning out. Interviewing is particularly bad. I guess most men have thick skin or got lucky, so they don't see that, instead they think it's this dream job and everyone should partake in its wonderfulness. I believe that the lack of women in tech is explained by societal bias against women and the nature of the job.

macinjosh 8y ago

I don't have any sort of degree beyond high school and I have been a programmer/engineer for almost 15 years. Do I work at top tech companies? No. But that doesn't mean people like us can't be hired in the industry.

openbasic 8y ago

> we're older than 35, or don't have degrees from "top" schools, and/or don't have the "passion" for bizarre extended hiring rituals This hits home so hard.

jhfhhhf 8y ago

So what do you do now? Btw some men in tech are also over 35 and tired of hiring rituals.

petsormeat 8y ago
After 15 years of front-end dev, I now work in retail. Some of my other peers are scraping by with Uber/Lyft. Some are muddling through as housewives or substitute teaching. And, yes, Bay Area tech hiring is needlessly hostile for men over a certain age as well.
- hamandcheese 8y ago
  I’m a bit confused... surely going through a needlessly bizarre hiring ritual is worth it compared to driving for Uber or being a substitute teacher?
- jhfhhhf 8y ago
  Ageism, OK - but still I find it hard to believe that you can't find a job if you can code. Maybe competition or demands are especially high in the Bay area?

hamandcheese 8y ago

> I could staff an entire dev team with non-male people within a week. I think the recruiting team at my company would very much be interested in speaking with you.

blub 8y ago

SW engineering can be a pretty brutal job psychologically - there's a reason people are burning out. Interviewing is particularly bad. I guess most men have thick skin or got lucky, so they don't see that, instead they think it's this dream job and everyone should partake in its wonderfulness. I believe that the lack of women in tech is explained by societal bias against women and the nature of the job.