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Please start using Solar and wind as much as possible. We have amazing products available now. I have fiur solar lanterns, one flashlight, a 20k mah powerbank a

Please start using Solar and wind as much as possible. We have amazing products available now. I have fiur solar lanterns, one flashlight, a 20k mah powerbank and a 14w suaoki foldable solar panel In a few years ehen I buy a vehicle, I'll buy an electric moped, a 60w suoaki solar charger and a 150wh suoaki power generator. That way, I will be using my vehicle on renewable energy at all times. We need to do this and fast.

JoeAltmaier 8y ago
I'd like to agree, but numbers don't add up. All the solar their is, amounts to 1% of energy use. Its not about mopeds, its about steel plants and oil refineries and shipping and heating and cooling. We're talking Terawatts, not Watts.
- thewhitetulip 8y ago
  I totally understand and agree. But we can't afford to not do something. Imagine if everyone planted a tree in a pot in their homes. It isn't about the 1w electricity I used from Solar, it is a momentum. Slowly, 1million people will use solar and it'll be 1 million watt electricity! It is in the scale
  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    Yes, but 1MW is one millionth of the problem. Its very hard to get individual effort to matter. Its the industrial infrastructure that has to change?
    - thewhitetulip 8y ago
      That still doesn't mean that we do nothing at all
      - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
        Which is the origin of the term 'eco-theatre'. Doing something, just to be doing something. I know, everybody can't be a lobbyist etc.
thinkcontext 8y ago
I have to take issue with your use of the foldable solar panel. Studies have estimated that commercial solar panels take 1-4 years to produce enough electricity to offset that used in their production [0]. This is for fixed panels, pointing south, at optimal tilt, during all available daylight hours. How many hours per day does that portable panel get used? It seems extremely unlikely to me that the average portable solar panel gets used a significant fraction of what a fixed dedicated panel does, thus will not offset its production emissions. More generally, green gadgets are likely not very green. The true lifecycle advantages over a conventional product if there are any are likely to be very small and you are unlikely to be able to even find out for individual products. People would likely make more of an impact by wasting and consuming less. There are products that can make an impact, they tend to be high energy users like a water heater, HVAC system or insulating a building properly. In the US, many states have deregulated utility markets. That means users can choose who provides their electricity and many green products are available like 100% renewable. See https://www.electricchoice.com/ https://www.electricchoice.com/ for more background and if that's available in your area. 0 - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S136403211500146X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S136403211...
- thewhitetulip 8y ago
  Earlier, I charged my phone using the grid. I used grid while reading and writing. Now, I have five solar products and I don't use the grid. I also plant 10 trees yearly, I use my bicycle. Doing something is better than being a cynic. The point isn't recuperating amount of energy spent in manufacturing solar pabel, batteries. It is to stop from further consumption of polluting items. Sure, it wouldn't amount to much. I don't use more than 2units of electricity. We still run diesel trains in India, most industries dint use renewable energy. We need to make massive changes if we want to be carbon neutral And I still don't agree with your comment. I have a phone that was manufactured using coal and petrol. I use the phone's half battery during the day by consuming even more petrol. The least I could do is charge it using Solar. The goal of using solar isn't to be "offset within xyrs" it is to stop reliance on oil. It is to use sun, wind. It is to invest. If we don't invest then nothing will happen. This might be similar to banks. Solar is like investing money in the market when it is abysmally low, sure, it might not offset immediately, but it eventually will. That's still better than money under the rug

JoeAltmaier 8y ago

I'd like to agree, but numbers don't add up. All the solar their is, amounts to 1% of energy use. Its not about mopeds, its about steel plants and oil refineries and shipping and heating and cooling. We're talking Terawatts, not Watts.

thewhitetulip 8y ago
I totally understand and agree. But we can't afford to not do something. Imagine if everyone planted a tree in a pot in their homes. It isn't about the 1w electricity I used from Solar, it is a momentum. Slowly, 1million people will use solar and it'll be 1 million watt electricity! It is in the scale
- JoeAltmaier 8y ago
  Yes, but 1MW is one millionth of the problem. Its very hard to get individual effort to matter. Its the industrial infrastructure that has to change?
  - thewhitetulip 8y ago
    That still doesn't mean that we do nothing at all
    - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
      Which is the origin of the term 'eco-theatre'. Doing something, just to be doing something. I know, everybody can't be a lobbyist etc.

thinkcontext 8y ago

I have to take issue with your use of the foldable solar panel. Studies have estimated that commercial solar panels take 1-4 years to produce enough electricity to offset that used in their production [0]. This is for fixed panels, pointing south, at optimal tilt, during all available daylight hours. How many hours per day does that portable panel get used? It seems extremely unlikely to me that the average portable solar panel gets used a significant fraction of what a fixed dedicated panel does, thus will not offset its production emissions. More generally, green gadgets are likely not very green. The true lifecycle advantages over a conventional product if there are any are likely to be very small and you are unlikely to be able to even find out for individual products. People would likely make more of an impact by wasting and consuming less. There are products that can make an impact, they tend to be high energy users like a water heater, HVAC system or insulating a building properly. In the US, many states have deregulated utility markets. That means users can choose who provides their electricity and many green products are available like 100% renewable. See https://www.electricchoice.com/ https://www.electricchoice.com/ for more background and if that's available in your area. 0 - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S136403211500146X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S136403211...

thewhitetulip 8y ago
Earlier, I charged my phone using the grid. I used grid while reading and writing. Now, I have five solar products and I don't use the grid. I also plant 10 trees yearly, I use my bicycle. Doing something is better than being a cynic. The point isn't recuperating amount of energy spent in manufacturing solar pabel, batteries. It is to stop from further consumption of polluting items. Sure, it wouldn't amount to much. I don't use more than 2units of electricity. We still run diesel trains in India, most industries dint use renewable energy. We need to make massive changes if we want to be carbon neutral And I still don't agree with your comment. I have a phone that was manufactured using coal and petrol. I use the phone's half battery during the day by consuming even more petrol. The least I could do is charge it using Solar. The goal of using solar isn't to be "offset within xyrs" it is to stop reliance on oil. It is to use sun, wind. It is to invest. If we don't invest then nothing will happen. This might be similar to banks. Solar is like investing money in the market when it is abysmally low, sure, it might not offset immediately, but it eventually will. That's still better than money under the rug