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Personally, I pirate unless I can buy the music directly from the artist and download it in a lossless, DRM free format, using only open source software (or web

Personally, I pirate unless I can buy the music directly from the artist and download it in a lossless, DRM free format, using only open source software (or websites like Bandcamp). Maybe about 10% of my collection is paid for.

mabedan 8y ago
what does the open source thing has to do with artists being able to earn a living or not?
- Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
  It's about establishing a mutually respectful relationship between the artist and consumer.
  - jmull 8y ago
    I think you unconditionally dictating all the terms is not respectful of the artist.
    - ddevault 8y ago
      These are simple terms that serve to preserve the music. It serves the interests of a third party, not the musician or consumer, if these terms are not met.
      - jmull 8y ago
        I think you should talk to the artists before pirating their music and see what they think. Just deciding for yourself when it's OK has nothing to do with respect.
        Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
        I think you and I just see it differently.
      - gehsty 8y ago
        I think it serves the artist if you buy the music, however you buy it, and it doesn’t serve the artist if you pirate it. Apply your logic to any other purchase and it falls on it feet. Do you only buy food direct from farmers? Clothes from factories? Do you only use supermarkets that use open source payment kiosks?
        rossy 8y ago
        For what it's worth, even Richard Stallman condones the use of proprietary software on a device you don't control, like an ATM or a supermarket payment kiosk. This is not the same thing as being forced to run proprietary software on your personal computer.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  Open source software and protocols, as opposed to proprietary players and formats. The latter is pretty much soft DRM.
gehsty 8y ago
Good job supporting artists! I bet they really care about about the software license for the source code for the store you buy their music from... Maybe try just enjoying music for musics sake and not thinking about where it comes from to much, you might enjoy it!
- rossy 8y ago
  Maybe the artists should care. The music industry is pretty consumer-hostile these days. Could you imagine if, twenty years ago, it was commonplace to sell CD or vinyl records that only worked on a specific brand of stereo. These days it's commonplace to release albums exclusively on iTunes, which requires a specific brand of operating system (Microsoft or Apple,) and a specific brand of software to purchase and download the music. I get that this isn't directly the artist's fault and I understand that a lot of people don't care about this kind of freedom, but I certainly wouldn't blame someone for wanting to opt-out, even if that means they don't support artists that require the use of proprietary software to buy their music.
  - gehsty 8y ago
    Do you apply this logic to any other media? Do you buy all your films directly from directors in open source stores in oggs vorbis format? I mean watching YouTube videos would clearly not meet your requirements, neither would watching Netflix... I think it is unfair to the artists as you are using something that is entirely out of their control to justify not supporting them.
    - rossy 8y ago
      I'm probably not as stringent about buying "direct from the artist" as the GP, but yeah, I do follow my own set of standards in regards to other media. > I mean watching YouTube videos would clearly not meet your requirements Actually, it does. Most YouTube videos don't have DRM, and they can be viewed with free software (web browsers are free software, also youtube-dl is free software.) > neither would watching Netflix... Yeah, Netflix certainly doesn't, but I have no problems with buying Blu-ray. Blu-ray has DRM, but it's easily removed, so it's equivalent to not having DRM for practical purposes. (Again, I don't know if I'm as stringent as the GP in this case.) > I think it is unfair to the artists as you are using something that is entirely out of their control to justify not supporting them. They certainly do have control over which record contracts they sign and which television studios and networks they work for. If they want to make a quick buck at the expense of the consumer by making an exclusivity deal with Apple Music or Netflix, I'm probably not going to buy what they're selling.

mabedan 8y ago

what does the open source thing has to do with artists being able to earn a living or not?

Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
It's about establishing a mutually respectful relationship between the artist and consumer.
- jmull 8y ago
  I think you unconditionally dictating all the terms is not respectful of the artist.
  - ddevault 8y ago
    These are simple terms that serve to preserve the music. It serves the interests of a third party, not the musician or consumer, if these terms are not met.
    - jmull 8y ago
      I think you should talk to the artists before pirating their music and see what they think. Just deciding for yourself when it's OK has nothing to do with respect.
      - Sir_Cmpwn 8y ago
        I think you and I just see it differently.
    - gehsty 8y ago
      I think it serves the artist if you buy the music, however you buy it, and it doesn’t serve the artist if you pirate it. Apply your logic to any other purchase and it falls on it feet. Do you only buy food direct from farmers? Clothes from factories? Do you only use supermarkets that use open source payment kiosks?
      - rossy 8y ago
        For what it's worth, even Richard Stallman condones the use of proprietary software on a device you don't control, like an ATM or a supermarket payment kiosk. This is not the same thing as being forced to run proprietary software on your personal computer.
TeMPOraL 8y ago
Open source software and protocols, as opposed to proprietary players and formats. The latter is pretty much soft DRM.

gehsty 8y ago

Good job supporting artists! I bet they really care about about the software license for the source code for the store you buy their music from... Maybe try just enjoying music for musics sake and not thinking about where it comes from to much, you might enjoy it!

rossy 8y ago
Maybe the artists should care. The music industry is pretty consumer-hostile these days. Could you imagine if, twenty years ago, it was commonplace to sell CD or vinyl records that only worked on a specific brand of stereo. These days it's commonplace to release albums exclusively on iTunes, which requires a specific brand of operating system (Microsoft or Apple,) and a specific brand of software to purchase and download the music. I get that this isn't directly the artist's fault and I understand that a lot of people don't care about this kind of freedom, but I certainly wouldn't blame someone for wanting to opt-out, even if that means they don't support artists that require the use of proprietary software to buy their music.
- gehsty 8y ago
  Do you apply this logic to any other media? Do you buy all your films directly from directors in open source stores in oggs vorbis format? I mean watching YouTube videos would clearly not meet your requirements, neither would watching Netflix... I think it is unfair to the artists as you are using something that is entirely out of their control to justify not supporting them.
  - rossy 8y ago
    I'm probably not as stringent about buying "direct from the artist" as the GP, but yeah, I do follow my own set of standards in regards to other media. > I mean watching YouTube videos would clearly not meet your requirements Actually, it does. Most YouTube videos don't have DRM, and they can be viewed with free software (web browsers are free software, also youtube-dl is free software.) > neither would watching Netflix... Yeah, Netflix certainly doesn't, but I have no problems with buying Blu-ray. Blu-ray has DRM, but it's easily removed, so it's equivalent to not having DRM for practical purposes. (Again, I don't know if I'm as stringent as the GP in this case.) > I think it is unfair to the artists as you are using something that is entirely out of their control to justify not supporting them. They certainly do have control over which record contracts they sign and which television studios and networks they work for. If they want to make a quick buck at the expense of the consumer by making an exclusivity deal with Apple Music or Netflix, I'm probably not going to buy what they're selling.