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California is majority-run by Democrats with a Democrat Governor who isn't seeking re-election (so he can do whatever he wants)... When asked if he would stop

California is majority-run by Democrats with a Democrat Governor who isn't seeking re-election (so he can do whatever he wants)... When asked if he would stop offshore drilling, Jerry Brown responded that he refused to put that many people out of work. This is in a state where Democrats have effectively no opposition The idea the Democrats are even one iota different on climate is ridiculous and dangerous. If Democrats won't act when they have majorities, a sympathetic electorate and no opposition, when will they act? Please show me ONE piece of real evidence or instance where a Democrat willingly sacrificed REAL economic gain to achieve a climate goal...and before you mention solar, wind or carbon credits, keep in mind the US only engaged these policies when it was economically feasible to do so. Show me where a Democratic put a voter out of work to save a polar bear. By the way if you look at where US wind assets are, it's primarily "red" states Shall we mention All Gore? Asks me to live in a tent while living in a 12k sq ft mansion and traveling on a private jet.. Lastly, all of the evidence on climate we have now was available to Obama...what did he do? People act like it has been decades since a Democrat lived in the White House. Where was the indignation three years ago? I expect this comment to just be downvoted without reply...

jonstewart 8y ago
I like how you've qualified your demand, i.e., "show me ONE piece of real evidence or instance where a Democrat willingly sacrificed REAL economic gain to achieve a climate goal". My Magic 8 ball predicts you'll argue any cited examples don't show REAL sacrifice. http://environment.law.harvard.edu/2018/06/california-cafe-standards-energy-policy-conservation-act/ http://environment.law.harvard.edu/2018/06/california-cafe-s... https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/10/california-renewable-energy-trump-brown-813660 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/10/california-renewab... I'll punt it back to you. Can you please show me ONE piece of real evidence or instance where the Republican Congress did _anything_ positive regarding climate change? Also, I won't claim (and didn't) that electing a Democratic majority is sufficient to address climate change. It's just necessary, because only when Republicans realize that they'll continue to lose on climate change that we'll make real bipartisan progress.
mturmon 8y ago
This is a bullshit comment. For more on what Governor Brown has done, please see: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/jerry-brown-california-trump-climate-change/570046/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/jerry-b... For some examples of Trump efforts to roll back GHG limits of the Obama Administration, see: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/11092018/methane-flaring-rules-oil-gas-industry-climate-change-obama-trump-epa-rollback https://insideclimatenews.org/news/11092018/methane-flaring-... I mean, the man does not even seem to believe that climate is changing. It is not necessary to demonstrate that someone was put out of a job to do any of this.

jonstewart 8y ago

I like how you've qualified your demand, i.e., "show me ONE piece of real evidence or instance where a Democrat willingly sacrificed REAL economic gain to achieve a climate goal". My Magic 8 ball predicts you'll argue any cited examples don't show REAL sacrifice. http://environment.law.harvard.edu/2018/06/california-cafe-standards-energy-policy-conservation-act/ http://environment.law.harvard.edu/2018/06/california-cafe-s... https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/10/california-renewable-energy-trump-brown-813660 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/10/california-renewab... I'll punt it back to you. Can you please show me ONE piece of real evidence or instance where the Republican Congress did _anything_ positive regarding climate change? Also, I won't claim (and didn't) that electing a Democratic majority is sufficient to address climate change. It's just necessary, because only when Republicans realize that they'll continue to lose on climate change that we'll make real bipartisan progress.

mturmon 8y ago

This is a bullshit comment. For more on what Governor Brown has done, please see: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/jerry-brown-california-trump-climate-change/570046/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/jerry-b... For some examples of Trump efforts to roll back GHG limits of the Obama Administration, see: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/11092018/methane-flaring-rules-oil-gas-industry-climate-change-obama-trump-epa-rollback https://insideclimatenews.org/news/11092018/methane-flaring-... I mean, the man does not even seem to believe that climate is changing. It is not necessary to demonstrate that someone was put out of a job to do any of this.