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I absolutely used to pirate all my music. Then Spotify came along. Pandora first, but I can't remember if I had completely stopped using mp3 at that point. I m

I absolutely used to pirate all my music. Then Spotify came along. Pandora first, but I can't remember if I had completely stopped using mp3 at that point. I maybe had an iPod full of music I didn't pay for. Can't really remember the timelines here. Either way, just like with movie and TV, I'll happily pay for streaming if the selection is there.

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whiteboardr 8y ago
> I'll happily pay for streaming if the selection is there. This. A million times.
braythwayt 8y ago
“Your typical architecture astronaut will take a fact like “Napster is a peer-to-peer service for downloading music” and ignore everything but the architecture, thinking it’s interesting because it’s peer to peer, completely missing the point that it’s interesting because you can type the name of a song and listen to it right away. ... “Talk about missing the point. If Napster wasn’t peer-to-peer but it did let you type the name of a song and then listen to it, it would have been just as popular.” —Joel Spolsky, “Don’t Let Architecture Astronauts Scare You,” 2001 https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/04/21/dont-let-architecture-astronauts-scare-you/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/04/21/dont-let-architect... ——— In the last 17 years, that quote keeps popping up because the companies that focus on letting you type the name of a song and listen to it right away have made money, while those that introduce friction to support some label’s business model? Not so much. But they keep complaining about “piracy.” 90% of piracy is eliminating friction. This past weekend, I bought the new Doctor Who on iTunes. I paid because Apple gave me a lot of ways to type the name of the show and watch it right away. Same reason I’ve spent thousands on music with them. It’s not about the price, it’s about the convenience.
- adrianN 8y ago
  It is also about price though. I'd "rent" a lot more movies online if the price were the same as when I rented them on DVD, like fifty cents per day. However it costs like four Euros to stream a movie from Prime Video.
  - davidcbc 8y ago
    Where were you renting DVDs for 50 cents a day? That seems really cheap.
    - adrianN 8y ago
      In Berlin. I think the most expensive rental was one Euro per day, before all those shops closed down.
    - saudioger 8y ago
      There are places in the US where you can still rent DVDs for a dollar a day. Streaming _rental_ prices feel too high.
  - billfruit 8y ago
    I though prime video costs like 12 dollars a year, that's what they charge in India.
    - adrianN 8y ago
      There is catalog that you can stream for free with a Prime subscription, but there is a larger catalog of movies that you can stream for an additional fee. In Germany Amazon Prime costs eight Euros a month, so unless you watch a lot of movies it's not worth it for the movies alone. The free-with-prime catalog is also not really all that good imho.
AllegedAlec 8y ago
> Either way, just like with movie and TV, I'll happily pay for streaming if the selection is there. Which is why I don't. No King Crimson, no cool small alternative bands, and no good way to find out of the bands you like are on spotify before getting a subscription. Furthermore: the service pays fuck all to artists. I may as well use the money to go to their concerts and buy merch directly from the artists.
- HeadsUpHigh 8y ago
  There is a semi-decent selection on Spotify. I pay for the subscription and then also go to Bandcamp to buy obscure artists. I don't buy big label stuff anymore.

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whiteboardr 8y ago

> I'll happily pay for streaming if the selection is there. This. A million times.

braythwayt 8y ago

“Your typical architecture astronaut will take a fact like “Napster is a peer-to-peer service for downloading music” and ignore everything but the architecture, thinking it’s interesting because it’s peer to peer, completely missing the point that it’s interesting because you can type the name of a song and listen to it right away. ... “Talk about missing the point. If Napster wasn’t peer-to-peer but it did let you type the name of a song and then listen to it, it would have been just as popular.” —Joel Spolsky, “Don’t Let Architecture Astronauts Scare You,” 2001 https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/04/21/dont-let-architecture-astronauts-scare-you/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/04/21/dont-let-architect... ——— In the last 17 years, that quote keeps popping up because the companies that focus on letting you type the name of a song and listen to it right away have made money, while those that introduce friction to support some label’s business model? Not so much. But they keep complaining about “piracy.” 90% of piracy is eliminating friction. This past weekend, I bought the new Doctor Who on iTunes. I paid because Apple gave me a lot of ways to type the name of the show and watch it right away. Same reason I’ve spent thousands on music with them. It’s not about the price, it’s about the convenience.

adrianN 8y ago
It is also about price though. I'd "rent" a lot more movies online if the price were the same as when I rented them on DVD, like fifty cents per day. However it costs like four Euros to stream a movie from Prime Video.
- davidcbc 8y ago
  Where were you renting DVDs for 50 cents a day? That seems really cheap.
  - adrianN 8y ago
    In Berlin. I think the most expensive rental was one Euro per day, before all those shops closed down.
  - saudioger 8y ago
    There are places in the US where you can still rent DVDs for a dollar a day. Streaming _rental_ prices feel too high.
- billfruit 8y ago
  I though prime video costs like 12 dollars a year, that's what they charge in India.
  - adrianN 8y ago
    There is catalog that you can stream for free with a Prime subscription, but there is a larger catalog of movies that you can stream for an additional fee. In Germany Amazon Prime costs eight Euros a month, so unless you watch a lot of movies it's not worth it for the movies alone. The free-with-prime catalog is also not really all that good imho.

AllegedAlec 8y ago

> Either way, just like with movie and TV, I'll happily pay for streaming if the selection is there. Which is why I don't. No King Crimson, no cool small alternative bands, and no good way to find out of the bands you like are on spotify before getting a subscription. Furthermore: the service pays fuck all to artists. I may as well use the money to go to their concerts and buy merch directly from the artists.

HeadsUpHigh 8y ago
There is a semi-decent selection on Spotify. I pay for the subscription and then also go to Bandcamp to buy obscure artists. I don't buy big label stuff anymore.