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The real "pirates" are the content editors who lobby for copyright extensions so that works of art never fall into the public domain. Public domain should be t
by bambax 8y ago
The real "pirates" are the content editors who lobby for copyright extensions so that works of art never fall into the public domain.
Public domain should be the rule and copyright the exception.
- cyborgx7 8y agoVery much agree. The only way I will ever take any discussion the legitimacy of copyright seriously is if the copyright period is reduced back to something sane like 20 years.
- enriquto 8y ago> Public domain should be the rule and copyright the exception. This is already the case for most of the music that many people are interested in (e.g., Bach, Vivaldi).
- anc84 8y agoExcept that those predate the era of music records. People are not interested in notes, they are interested in the music. Recordings of Bach and Vivaldi are still usually not in the public domain.
- adrianN 8y agoEven the sheet music is still copyrighted, because you want modern notation, not photographs of the originals.
- enriquto 8y ago> Even the sheet music is still copyrighted, because you want modern notation, not photographs of the originals. And you can very easily find them. Most moderately well-known compositions have been transcribed into pdf using modern typography (say, with lilypond) and uploaded to imslp and similar sites.
- enriquto 8y agoMaybe most baroque recordings are not public domain. But you can find many good-quality recordings of any particular piece under reasonable creative commons licenses [1]. [1] https://imslp.org/wiki/Brandenburg_Concerto_No.5_in_D_major,_BWV_1050_(Bach,_Johann_Sebastian) https://imslp.org/wiki/Brandenburg_Concerto_No.5_in_D_major,...
- bloak 8y agoYes. However, if the music is out of copyright that creates a free market in recordings of the music so it leads to there being budget recordings available. Personally I am interested in the notes, so I'll point out that most of the sheet music for Bach and Vivaldi is in fact under copyright. If you want something out of copyright then you have to get a facsimile of an old edition. Or something that was typeset by an amateur, which will almost certainly be crap because typesetting music takes a lot of skill to do well.
- aequitas 8y agoBut if you upload a video of you playing that public domain music it gets taken down because someone has copyright on a derivative work.
- jansan 8y agoEspecially if you compare that to patented technological inventions, that often consumed much more time, effort and money to develop. These patents expire after 20 years. How can it be justified that a song that someone wrote maybe within a week keeps the copyright virtually forever?
- C1sc0cat 8y agoWhistlers comment on why he charge what he did John Ruskin: 'The labour of two days is that for which you ask two hundred guineas?' Whistler: 'No. I ask it for the knowledge I have gained in the work of a lifetime.'
- scotty79 8y agoTo treat what you wrote as counterpoint to previous commenter you'd have to claim that inventors are far less knowledgeable, experienced and younger than musicians.
- C1sc0cat 8y agoNot really a song might take a week or 5 mins to write but its the result of years of experience and hard work - your not going to write "September Song" at 18 are you You would be ok with your employer using the same argument when they paid you ?
- scotty79 8y agoArgument was that inventors are less protected than entertainers. Why the guy who invented neodymium magnets has monopoly for 20 years while Britney Spears has pretty much indefinite monopoly on less than 4 minutes of content that she sang when she was 17 or sth.
- rayiner 8y ago> Public domain should be the rule and copyright the exception. Why? In what other area does the public automaticallt get a right to something someone else created?
- bryanlarsen 8y ago> Why? In what other area does the public automaticallt get a right to something someone else created? If you make a chair and I buy it from you, I can do whatever I want with that chair.
- vixen99 8y agoI don't think the analogy carries weight. It's true for chairs but not for all physical objects. The law steps in. Thus for example, in many countries what you do with a house is regulated by national and local laws as happens with some datasets - such as an audio/visual recording.
- coretx 8y agoYou mean, In what other market does the law ban competition? Freedom should be the default, not "copyright" since it does the opposit. In many countries te public domain was the rule and copyright was the exception until the US started pressuring nations via multilateral treaties and economic sanctions or "incentives".
- sp332 8y agoLiterally all of the time? If I copy something from you, that's generally 100% legal. The only other exceptions are things like patents, where the inventor/creator has to go out of their way to activate copy protections. "He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper [candle] at mine, receives light without darkening me." --Thomas Jefferson Before 1989, copyright was also opt-in. Check out the timeline under "Notable Dates in United States Copyright" https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1a.html https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1a.html It's a mess of shifting categories and retroactive extensions.
- mos_6502 8y ago