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Author here. I can say that this has pretty much gone as I'd expected. Microsoft have 80,000+ developers. Their partner ecosystem is absolutely massive. I've

Author here. I can say that this has pretty much gone as I'd expected. Microsoft have 80,000+ developers. Their partner ecosystem is absolutely massive. I've watched them hire hundreds of developer advocates that talk at events. It's therefore quite hard to write anything online that's critical without at least half of the comments coming from a biased source. It is interesting to see the gap between views in the comments here. Edit: I watch this comment go up and down a lot as the vote battle between those with an agenda and those without click against each other. Weirdly, I did criticise AWS a bit for their EKS offering in the blog but I've not had anywhere near the toxicity from people about that.

mwj 8y ago
The cult of Microsoft is the new cult of Mac...
detaro 8y ago
It's extremely low to automatically attribute disagreement to other commenters being dishonest. (even if we ignore the fact that AWS likely has a larger network of people highly invested into it...)
- stevenacreman 8y ago
  Any more of this nonsense and I'll get some Azure credits and start doing Youtube videos of the slowness and the crashes :)
  - romanovcode 8y ago
    Please do.
    - stevenacreman 8y ago
      Done. https://kubedex.com/project-dolos-testing-kubernetes-on-google-and-azure/ https://kubedex.com/project-dolos-testing-kubernetes-on-goog...
raesene9 8y ago
Just want to say, I just downvoted you but it had absolutely nothing to do with preference for or against Azure (I don't really have a strong opinion on that either way) I downvoted due to your statement that implies that anyone disagreeing with your view has "an agenda" whereas those upvoting you don't. People have different opinions and turning debates into an adversarial situation "if you're not agreeing with me you're against me" isn't helpful, in my opinion.
GordonS 8y ago
> It's therefore quite hard to write anything online that's critical without at least half of the comments coming from a biased source Some stuff is perceptual, other stuff is factual. The issue I personally took with your post is that you stated things that are blatantly untrue, such as: some things on Azure need to be done in a clunky web UI, other things need Powershell and other random stuff uses the CLI And now I also don't like how you are basically saying that anyone who disagrees or downvotes you is some kind of shill for Microsoft!
- stevenacreman 8y ago
  The spreadsheet linked in the blog is almost entirely factual and I made quite a point of adding comments with links to various sources. If you want to be pedantic about the sentence you took offense at it is actually true. There are operations that can only ber performed using Powershell. People have given examples in this thread. But that isn't the point. What I should have written for that part was that most people google for solutions. I've done this in the past on Azure and you get a random assortment of answers. Click here, Powershell this there, do whatever. It's disjointed and takes you out of mental context. I could update the blog with more clarity but I don't think anyone will change their mind. I've used Azure, GKE, AWS. It was played down a little in the blog, but I have used the non AKS parts of Azure pretty extensively. Have you tried GKE? My suspicion is that you've been stuck in a Microsoft world for a while. Not everyone is a paid shill but some people have a lot invested in the Microsoft ecosystem and I can only assume that's the reason for some of the comments here. I do 100% believe the Microsoft PR team has posted in here at least once though :)
  - detaro 8y ago
    > Not everyone is a paid shill https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't impute astroturfing or shillage. That degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about it, email us and we'll look at the data.
  - bk24 8y ago
    If you honestly believe that there is such a thing as "unbiased" and that this article is an absolute objective demonstration of that, I don't know how much higher your horse could get. When someone gets paid or invests time in anything, whether it is to build, use, market, or sell a product, then that person has become biased. Anyone who can convince themselves that he/she is immune from this is delusional.

mwj 8y ago

The cult of Microsoft is the new cult of Mac...

detaro 8y ago

It's extremely low to automatically attribute disagreement to other commenters being dishonest. (even if we ignore the fact that AWS likely has a larger network of people highly invested into it...)

stevenacreman 8y ago
Any more of this nonsense and I'll get some Azure credits and start doing Youtube videos of the slowness and the crashes :)
- romanovcode 8y ago
  Please do.
  - stevenacreman 8y ago
    Done. https://kubedex.com/project-dolos-testing-kubernetes-on-google-and-azure/ https://kubedex.com/project-dolos-testing-kubernetes-on-goog...

raesene9 8y ago

Just want to say, I just downvoted you but it had absolutely nothing to do with preference for or against Azure (I don't really have a strong opinion on that either way) I downvoted due to your statement that implies that anyone disagreeing with your view has "an agenda" whereas those upvoting you don't. People have different opinions and turning debates into an adversarial situation "if you're not agreeing with me you're against me" isn't helpful, in my opinion.

GordonS 8y ago

> It's therefore quite hard to write anything online that's critical without at least half of the comments coming from a biased source Some stuff is perceptual, other stuff is factual. The issue I personally took with your post is that you stated things that are blatantly untrue, such as: some things on Azure need to be done in a clunky web UI, other things need Powershell and other random stuff uses the CLI And now I also don't like how you are basically saying that anyone who disagrees or downvotes you is some kind of shill for Microsoft!

stevenacreman 8y ago
The spreadsheet linked in the blog is almost entirely factual and I made quite a point of adding comments with links to various sources. If you want to be pedantic about the sentence you took offense at it is actually true. There are operations that can only ber performed using Powershell. People have given examples in this thread. But that isn't the point. What I should have written for that part was that most people google for solutions. I've done this in the past on Azure and you get a random assortment of answers. Click here, Powershell this there, do whatever. It's disjointed and takes you out of mental context. I could update the blog with more clarity but I don't think anyone will change their mind. I've used Azure, GKE, AWS. It was played down a little in the blog, but I have used the non AKS parts of Azure pretty extensively. Have you tried GKE? My suspicion is that you've been stuck in a Microsoft world for a while. Not everyone is a paid shill but some people have a lot invested in the Microsoft ecosystem and I can only assume that's the reason for some of the comments here. I do 100% believe the Microsoft PR team has posted in here at least once though :)
- detaro 8y ago
  > Not everyone is a paid shill https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't impute astroturfing or shillage. That degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about it, email us and we'll look at the data.
- bk24 8y ago
  If you honestly believe that there is such a thing as "unbiased" and that this article is an absolute objective demonstration of that, I don't know how much higher your horse could get. When someone gets paid or invests time in anything, whether it is to build, use, market, or sell a product, then that person has become biased. Anyone who can convince themselves that he/she is immune from this is delusional.