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> But we keep making these dire predictions I think it's absolutely not reasonable to put climate scientists and their predictions into the same line as the ma

> But we keep making these dire predictions I think it's absolutely not reasonable to put climate scientists and their predictions into the same line as the mayans or nostradamus. > Could we see a dramatic population crash? Absolutely. Population crashes of various species in various places are a known phenomenon. That could happen. So, a population crash could happen. A lot of the comments here sound as if the people are saying "End of the world? Pffft. Total hysteria. Ultimately a few billion people will die and then human life will adapt. Everything's fine!" I mean, take a minute and picture the suffering of billions of humans because of famine, resource wars, migration, deaths. Picture yourself and your loved ones into this. It may not be the literal "end of the world", but don't you (and the others of the "it's-fine"-faction here) think that this is bad enough to take climate change serious and try to lessen all of that? > And if you voice skepticism, you are advised you are a fool who just doesn't get it. Are you sure that you do "get it" though?

DoreenMichele 8y ago
I've lived without a car for more than a decade. I have a medical condition that is supposed to require at least $100k in medical care annually just to die slower with no hope of getting well. I have gotten off all drugs and I manage it with diet and lifestyle. I got healthier while homeless, sleeping in a tent for 5.7 years and being treated abusively by an awful lot of people who don't find my story credible. My oldest son has the same condition. I have been supporting myself and my 2 special needs sons on under $20k annually while all of us get healthier. I also appear to be the only woman to have ever spent time on the leaderboard of Hacker News. I hit it a month and 2 days after I got myself and my kids off the street. I then changed handles cuz reasons. I'm quite confident I really get it. I'm quite confident I actually know useful information that could make a real difference if people would actually listen to me instead of screeching at me about what a nutter I am. But it is generally pointless to assert that. It just causes people to more vehemently ramp up the dismissive personal attacks and assertions that I'm an idiot whose point is invalid while they run screaming across the stage flailing their arms like Kermit the frog.
- chienandalou 8y ago
  Maybe I am a black transwoman with a disability and a history of clinical depression. I think that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'd prefer if we talked as two human beings to each other. > But it is generally pointless to assert that. It just causes people to more vehemently ramp up the dismissive personal attacks and assertions that I'm an idiot whose point is invalid while they run screaming across the stage flailing their arms like Kermit the frog. In my post I never intended to question your intelligence. I also did not call you a nutter and I don't know why you think I did. I questioned your line of reasoning, and wanted to know whether you really thought about the consequences of a "population crash". I believe that these two words very cleanly describe a hell on earth, and your post seemed to handwave all this suffering away. That is a line of thinking I don't agree with, and I wanted to make you think about and reply to that. I'm deeply sorry for the hardships of your life. All the best to you.

DoreenMichele 8y ago

I've lived without a car for more than a decade. I have a medical condition that is supposed to require at least $100k in medical care annually just to die slower with no hope of getting well. I have gotten off all drugs and I manage it with diet and lifestyle. I got healthier while homeless, sleeping in a tent for 5.7 years and being treated abusively by an awful lot of people who don't find my story credible. My oldest son has the same condition. I have been supporting myself and my 2 special needs sons on under $20k annually while all of us get healthier. I also appear to be the only woman to have ever spent time on the leaderboard of Hacker News. I hit it a month and 2 days after I got myself and my kids off the street. I then changed handles cuz reasons. I'm quite confident I really get it. I'm quite confident I actually know useful information that could make a real difference if people would actually listen to me instead of screeching at me about what a nutter I am. But it is generally pointless to assert that. It just causes people to more vehemently ramp up the dismissive personal attacks and assertions that I'm an idiot whose point is invalid while they run screaming across the stage flailing their arms like Kermit the frog.

chienandalou 8y ago
Maybe I am a black transwoman with a disability and a history of clinical depression. I think that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'd prefer if we talked as two human beings to each other. > But it is generally pointless to assert that. It just causes people to more vehemently ramp up the dismissive personal attacks and assertions that I'm an idiot whose point is invalid while they run screaming across the stage flailing their arms like Kermit the frog. In my post I never intended to question your intelligence. I also did not call you a nutter and I don't know why you think I did. I questioned your line of reasoning, and wanted to know whether you really thought about the consequences of a "population crash". I believe that these two words very cleanly describe a hell on earth, and your post seemed to handwave all this suffering away. That is a line of thinking I don't agree with, and I wanted to make you think about and reply to that. I'm deeply sorry for the hardships of your life. All the best to you.