And then we won't have research. So the material taught will stagnate, just like in high schools. If we treat students as customers, then they want the best --

And then we won't have research. So the material taught will stagnate, just like in high schools. If we treat students as customers, then they want the best -- so to improve, the student-oriented university would hire teachers that are also great researchers, so they'd have something new to teach, that isn't taught by the competition. And that research is costly; and we come full circle to the research-oriented universities.