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Where I grew up there were significant roma gypsy populations (heartland agricultural region, plenty casual work available). Over time a fair few of them gave u

Where I grew up there were significant roma gypsy populations (heartland agricultural region, plenty casual work available). Over time a fair few of them gave up the travelling life and move into fixed housing, sent their kids to school, started businesses etc. That shift's been happening all over and I guess the trend continues - Here, 'urban maori' losing touch with their whakapapa is an challenging cultural issue.

saiya-jin 8y ago
That's actually quite positive story about gypsies compared to where I come from. Back home (eastern europe), communism forced everybody to settle and have a job, nomad or not, you would go to nasty jail otherwise. Kids were forced to go to school. This somewhat worked, with many other issues related. These days, kids still have to go to school, but adults spend tremendous amount of time trying to screw the system, do petty crime and theft and avoid contributing anyhow to society, just taking social benefits. If they would spend the same amount of energy for some sort of job, they could be well off. Unemployment for them is 90+%. No politician dares to tackle this in past 20 years. Simply because you can't fix it in 4 years, and no politician cares beyond that. EU tried, and failed. Free equipped apartments just given with no strings attached were completely destroyed in 1-2 years. Why on earth would somebody totally destroy the only place they live in? I feel sorry for them, growing up in that environment sets you up for same lifestyle, parents being violent drug addicts, frequent inbreeding and family rapes. I wouldn't end up much better in that environment for sure. But I just don't see any democratic way out of that. One example out of many [1] [1] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lunik+9&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjul76wv_vdAhVLzIUKHf6gAvsQ_AUIDigB&biw=1261&bih=478 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lunik+9&source=lnms&tbm=is...

saiya-jin 8y ago

That's actually quite positive story about gypsies compared to where I come from. Back home (eastern europe), communism forced everybody to settle and have a job, nomad or not, you would go to nasty jail otherwise. Kids were forced to go to school. This somewhat worked, with many other issues related. These days, kids still have to go to school, but adults spend tremendous amount of time trying to screw the system, do petty crime and theft and avoid contributing anyhow to society, just taking social benefits. If they would spend the same amount of energy for some sort of job, they could be well off. Unemployment for them is 90+%. No politician dares to tackle this in past 20 years. Simply because you can't fix it in 4 years, and no politician cares beyond that. EU tried, and failed. Free equipped apartments just given with no strings attached were completely destroyed in 1-2 years. Why on earth would somebody totally destroy the only place they live in? I feel sorry for them, growing up in that environment sets you up for same lifestyle, parents being violent drug addicts, frequent inbreeding and family rapes. I wouldn't end up much better in that environment for sure. But I just don't see any democratic way out of that. One example out of many [1] [1] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lunik+9&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjul76wv_vdAhVLzIUKHf6gAvsQ_AUIDigB&biw=1261&bih=478 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lunik+9&source=lnms&tbm=is...