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I don't have any personal experience with this, but I saw this article about Google killing the headphone jack: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3284186/mobile/

I don't have any personal experience with this, but I saw this article about Google killing the headphone jack: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3284186/mobile/bring-back-the-headphone-jack-why-usb-c-audio-still-doesnt-work.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/3284186/mobile/bring-back-th... Yeah, Apple killed headphone jacks on the iPhone. But they also: 1) Gave you lightning headphones that work on all iPhones 2) Have 3rd party lightning headphones that all work on all iPhones 3) Gave you a lightning to 3.5mm headphone adapter that worked on all iPhones with whatever regular 3.5mm headphones you previously used with your phones 4) Made better bluetooth earbuds for moving away from wired headphones entirely Android manufacturers have not matched that with USB-C audio. They just copied "Step 0) Remove the headphone jack."

Someone1234 8y ago
All true. I would like to tack on, that Apple recently stopped providing the included 3.5mm headphone adapter with newly purchased iPhones (include iPhone 7 and 8 purchases)[0]. [0] https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/12/iphone-xs-tidbits-airpower/ https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/12/iphone-xs-tidbits-airpower/
- Operyl 8y ago
  Sure, but they gave it a few years until they did so. Nowadays, I don't even use the adapters. I've bought wireless headphones or lightning-earphones.
  - mikepurvis 8y ago
    A big gap for some people is that the wireless headphones can't be used on airplanes.
    - colejohnson66 8y ago
      Wait. Really?
      - antoinealb 8y ago
        Well airplane mode shuts bluetooth and other radios off, so yeah, if you respect airplane mode you cannot use wireless peripherals.
        gehsty 8y ago
        Just not true. I fly all the time for work (4 flights a week), KLM eve announce that you can enable Bluetooth once flight safe mode is enabled and use Bluetooth headphones.
        viraptor 8y ago
        That's KLM-specific. There are no messages like that on many other airlines and the whole idea of airplane mode is RF protection. I'm happy that they basically say: it's bullshit, just ignore it, but officially most airlines still request no Bluetooth.
        gehsty 8y ago
        I have not been asked to switch Bluetooth off specifically on any flight. They ask that you enter flight safe mode. After that provided flight safe mode is on they don’t give any further instruction. On an iPhone at least you can enable Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and remain in flight safe mode. Many flight have Wi-Fi now, considerably more powerful than Bluetooth....how do they work safely?
        viraptor 8y ago
        My cynical answer would be: it never really mattered, so this is a way to allow new tech without scraping the whole idea. Especially given the number of possible radio bands and nobody publishing what the protested ranges were supposed to be.
        gehsty 8y ago
        Regardless of it mattering or not it is simply not true that that you cannot use them on flights, airlines actually announce that you can use them during safety announcements.
    - gehsty 8y ago
      That is not true. You can enable Bluetooth whilst in flight safe mode. KLM even an ounce this on their flights. I own airpods and Bose QC35s and use both wirelessly on flights all the time.
      - teekert 8y ago
        Yup, also heard this on my flight some days ago: "Feel free to enable Bluetooth after selecting flight mode."
      - dotancohen 8y ago
        Did you dictate this via speech recognition? "an ounce"
        mclehman 8y ago
        Typing without autocorrect, one of the more common mistakes I make is clipping the spacebar instead of c/v/b/n. Come to think of it, I don't think autocorrect would catch this anyway.
        gehsty 8y ago
        Nope iPhone keyboard plus not proof reading...
    - achompas 8y ago
      As of 2013, this is incorrect in the US. Here's a FAA press release: https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=15254 https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsI... > You can also continue to use short-range Bluetooth accessories, like wireless keyboards. I use my BT headphones when traveling all the time.
      - jannyfer 8y ago
        Maybe the poster meant that you cannot plug in your wireless headset to the aircraft's entertainment system, as you can with a 3.5mm jack.
        achompas 8y ago
        I can't say, but IME all major American airlines hand out free wired headphones on flights.
        estebank 8y ago
        Only on international flights.
        deleted 8y ago
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        chimeracoder 8y ago
        > Only on international flights. It's not only on international flights. They'll do it on reasonably long domestic flights as well (e.g. JFK→DEN).
        pm90 8y ago
        Uhh this depends on what kind of headset. My Bose AE2 wireless headphones are wireless, but also come with an audio jack for wired connectivity.
      - mikepurvis 8y ago
        Interesting, thanks for the info on that. I was on an international Air Canada flight last week and they specifically announced that nothing wireless at all was to be used during the flight, including all headphones. EDIT to add the official policy: "Air Canada is happy to announce that, beginning on April 1, 2018, passengers on our flights will be able to use their personal headphones (of any kind) on our in-flight entertainment system or their personal mobile devices. This service is available from gate to gate at any time, except, of course, while the safety video is being played. Please note that wireless or Bluetooth headphones may be used only on flights with WiFi, because of their technology." https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2018/policy-concerning-personal-headphones.html https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-an... My flight was definitely a non-wifi flight, so I guess that was the issue?
    - rhinoceraptor 8y ago
      The only real reason to put your phone in airplane mode is to stop it from draining its battery looking for mobile networks.
      - fphhotchips 8y ago
        And, apparently, to stop your phone from rapidly pinging multiple towers at lower altitudes.
halflings 8y ago
Google did all those things. The Pixel 3 will include USB C headphones and a dongle [1]. They have worked with Bose and other manufacturers on new bluetooth headphones that have additional functionality (switching between apps, talking with the assistant app). [2] [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/pixel-3-includes-usb-c-headphones-dongle-in-the-box/ https://www.cnet.com/news/pixel-3-includes-usb-c-headphones-... [2] https://www.blog.google/products/assistant/headphones-optimized-for-the-assistant/ https://www.blog.google/products/assistant/headphones-optimi...
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  I’m not just talking about one manufacturer on the Android side though, I’m talking about compatibility in the whole ecosystem. Google is including headphones that work with their phone, great, it would be embarrassing it they didn’t. If the headphone cable breaks and you buy replacement USB-C earbuds from another manufacturer, will it work with Google’s phones? Or will Google’s earbuds work with your partner’s non-Pixel phone? The point I want to make is that’s not a question you need to ask with Lightning or 3.5mm headphones. With USB-C you do.
  - space_fountain 8y ago
    Since the Pixel Phones implement an open standard for USB-C audio actually yes it should just work cross device. Interesting this isn't something that's actually true of lighting headphones. There's no way to use those on any other brand of phone. I think what you're really saying here is that you like the fact that the IPhone has huge market share. That's a fair position to hold, but I personally vastly prefer open standards that can be implemented by anyone to closed ones.
    - Retric 8y ago
      In cases like this "should" often translates to 'no' then 'sometimes' then 'mostly' but rarely a simple 'yes'. EX: "Why USB-C audio still doesn't work" https://www.pcworld.com/article/3284186/mobile/bring-back-the-headphone-jack-why-usb-c-audio-still-doesnt-work.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/3284186/mobile/bring-back-th...
pacuna 8y ago
My pixel 2 also came with an adapter for the 3.5mm, and my bluetooth headphones worked fine as always. And I think google also has the pixel earbuds?
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  See linked article above, you have an adapter that works with your phone, but it might not work with your friend’s phone, or your friends’ adapter/headphones may not work with your phone, and if your adapter breaks and you replace it you’ll need to be careful with finding a compatible replacement. With lightning headphones and adapters they’re all just compatible. I don’t know anyone with Pixel earbuds, but their reviews online aren’t stellar.
  - strictnein 8y ago
    > "With lightning headphones and adapters they’re all just compatible." Except with, you know, the large majority of the phones in the market today.
    - wlesieutre 8y ago
      Ok, they're compatible with phones that have a lightning port. Unlike the USB-C "one port shape, a million devices and cables implementing various optional subsets of the specification" compatibility mess. As long as you use the cables that came with each device, you're great. If you're buying aftermarket accessories, research carefully, and best-case find a review from someone with the exact same set of devices and cables. I say this as a USB-C laptop owner. The either-orientation plugs are great, the charging from whichever side of the computer is more convenient is great. But just because a cable says it supports DisplayPort alternate mode with multi-stream transport at 4K/60Hz doesn't mean it's going to work. EDIT - actually more to the point, just because it has USB-C at one end and DisplayPort at the other, doesn't mean it supports multi-stream transport at 4K/60Hz. Right port shapes? Check. Does what you expect it to when you plug it into your gadgets? Flip a coin. And then put your screen into DisplayPort 1.2 30Hz compatibility mode and pretend the low refresh rate doesn't bother you. It's a standards compliant cable, just not the right part of the standard.
atomical 8y ago
The bluetooth earbuds are starting to get better. The Bragi Pro is much better than the Dash. I don't have experience with Apple's earbuds but I'm going to guess users are facing similar issues with bluetooth connectivity and interference issues. I think of bluetooth earbuds as this generations skipping CD's. It's totally unnecessary though. They could have waited.
- cartsagis 8y ago
  Airpods are fantastic, haven't had any of these issues.
- gehsty 8y ago
  Airpods are insanely good. Virtually no issues with quality or interference and I got them the day they were released. Bose QC35s are also great, just not as reliable as airpods... one thing with airpods is that I think all headphones know when I take them off and to pause music...
  - wlesieutre 8y ago
    The only complaint I've heard about AirPods is the audio quality, in that that they're typical of Apple's earbuds. Better than the $10 generic ones on Amazon, worse than $150 wired earbuds from Sennheiser etc. Bluetooth reliability is better than any other headphones, battery life is impressive for how tiny they are, pairing (with iOS/macOS) works better than other bluetooth devices, the charging case is better thought out than other "true wireless" earbuds. Customer satisfaction surveys are ridiculously positive (IIRC 98% or 99%). I haven't bought them yet myself (just because they cost money), but maybe when the 2nd gen comes out I'll take another look.
    - bdcravens 8y ago
      AirPod battery life isn't great when you're using the mic too (think a Skype call) but the fact that you can use one at a time while other charges makes it pretty manageable.
FireBeyond 8y ago
"that work on all iPhones", "that work on all iPhones", "that work on all iPhones". Versus "uses a standard that more than one vendor will license". Yet you seem to think the first is better. I have a iPhone XS. I had really nice headphones. I despise the headphone adapter, it's horrible in my pockets and I am waiting for the cord to fray just like my Macbook power cables do. "Go all in on Apple" or "sucks to be you" are very polarizing options.
- hellisothers 8y ago
  The operative difference that the person (and your quotes) highlight is they shipped a solution “that works” on all the devices you care about. Using a standard technology is a good idea on paper, but I’d rather get something that “just works”.
  - FireBeyond 8y ago
    "that works" for varying degrees of "works". I happen to think that the lightning-to-3.5 adapter doesn't "just work" in the Apple sense, but is rather "minimally functional", not aesthetic, not graceful.
    - yzmtf2008 8y ago
      It's a difference between "I know it works on my device" and "I don't know if it will play sound, answer calls, not work at all, or only work if I turn on usb storage every time"
      - FireBeyond 8y ago
        Given that my discussion was between Lightning and 3.5", I think none of those "comparisons" were particularly apt.
  - rewgs 8y ago
    Explain to me how an analog 1/8th inch jack doesn't "just work."
sundvor 8y ago
The Samsung flagship phones retained the jack and has USB C. And no silly notch, just a clean design around the smallest their sensors could be.
- ThatPlayer 8y ago
  LG flagships have a notch, but are great otherwise. I'd argue their notch came first with the LG V10 and V20, but they were bigger and allowed you to use the rest of the screen as a 'second screen' which is what it is marketed as.
  - NeedMoreTea 8y ago
    The V20 second screen seemed a much better idea though. No need for the main screen to be on, but have a tiny second screen that can remain on for notifications, music player and such. Even placing it at top right seemed more sensible than splitting in 2. Can't comment on the reality or in day to day use as I never encountered a v20. They were never released here.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Android manufacturers have not matched that with USB-C audio. They just copied "Step 0) Remove the headphone jack." Well, except Samsung. Who, IIRC, is has by far the highest flagship sales of any Android handset vendor; they not only kept the headset jack but for the last couple generations have started tearing the premium wired earbuds they are not including as a selling feature.
- reanimated 8y ago
  There is a reports already that currently flagships are the last ones: https://www.google.lt/amp/s/amp.tomsguide.com/us/samsung-dropping-headphone-jack-2019,news-28281.html https://www.google.lt/amp/s/amp.tomsguide.com/us/samsung-dro...
PascLeRasc 8y ago
Not to mention they're much easier to get than USB-C ones. Google's official dongle is rarely in stock while Apple's is available in stores all over. I went in for one this week to see if I could live with no headphone jack and the guy just gave me one and told me I didn't have to pay. Yeah you could go to Best Buy if you need a dongle ASAP, but then you get to play the "is this analog or digital" game.

Someone1234 8y ago

All true. I would like to tack on, that Apple recently stopped providing the included 3.5mm headphone adapter with newly purchased iPhones (include iPhone 7 and 8 purchases)[0]. [0] https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/12/iphone-xs-tidbits-airpower/ https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/12/iphone-xs-tidbits-airpower/

Operyl 8y ago
Sure, but they gave it a few years until they did so. Nowadays, I don't even use the adapters. I've bought wireless headphones or lightning-earphones.
- mikepurvis 8y ago
  A big gap for some people is that the wireless headphones can't be used on airplanes.
  - colejohnson66 8y ago
    Wait. Really?
    - antoinealb 8y ago
      Well airplane mode shuts bluetooth and other radios off, so yeah, if you respect airplane mode you cannot use wireless peripherals.
      - gehsty 8y ago
        Just not true. I fly all the time for work (4 flights a week), KLM eve announce that you can enable Bluetooth once flight safe mode is enabled and use Bluetooth headphones.
        viraptor 8y ago
        That's KLM-specific. There are no messages like that on many other airlines and the whole idea of airplane mode is RF protection. I'm happy that they basically say: it's bullshit, just ignore it, but officially most airlines still request no Bluetooth.
        gehsty 8y ago
        I have not been asked to switch Bluetooth off specifically on any flight. They ask that you enter flight safe mode. After that provided flight safe mode is on they don’t give any further instruction. On an iPhone at least you can enable Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and remain in flight safe mode. Many flight have Wi-Fi now, considerably more powerful than Bluetooth....how do they work safely?
        viraptor 8y ago
        My cynical answer would be: it never really mattered, so this is a way to allow new tech without scraping the whole idea. Especially given the number of possible radio bands and nobody publishing what the protested ranges were supposed to be.
        gehsty 8y ago
        Regardless of it mattering or not it is simply not true that that you cannot use them on flights, airlines actually announce that you can use them during safety announcements.
  - gehsty 8y ago
    That is not true. You can enable Bluetooth whilst in flight safe mode. KLM even an ounce this on their flights. I own airpods and Bose QC35s and use both wirelessly on flights all the time.
    - teekert 8y ago
      Yup, also heard this on my flight some days ago: "Feel free to enable Bluetooth after selecting flight mode."
    - dotancohen 8y ago
      Did you dictate this via speech recognition? "an ounce"
      - mclehman 8y ago
        Typing without autocorrect, one of the more common mistakes I make is clipping the spacebar instead of c/v/b/n. Come to think of it, I don't think autocorrect would catch this anyway.
      - gehsty 8y ago
        Nope iPhone keyboard plus not proof reading...
  - achompas 8y ago
    As of 2013, this is incorrect in the US. Here's a FAA press release: https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=15254 https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsI... > You can also continue to use short-range Bluetooth accessories, like wireless keyboards. I use my BT headphones when traveling all the time.
    - jannyfer 8y ago
      Maybe the poster meant that you cannot plug in your wireless headset to the aircraft's entertainment system, as you can with a 3.5mm jack.
      - achompas 8y ago
        I can't say, but IME all major American airlines hand out free wired headphones on flights.
        estebank 8y ago
        Only on international flights.
        deleted 8y ago
        [deleted]
        chimeracoder 8y ago
        > Only on international flights. It's not only on international flights. They'll do it on reasonably long domestic flights as well (e.g. JFK→DEN).
      - pm90 8y ago
        Uhh this depends on what kind of headset. My Bose AE2 wireless headphones are wireless, but also come with an audio jack for wired connectivity.
    - mikepurvis 8y ago
      Interesting, thanks for the info on that. I was on an international Air Canada flight last week and they specifically announced that nothing wireless at all was to be used during the flight, including all headphones. EDIT to add the official policy: "Air Canada is happy to announce that, beginning on April 1, 2018, passengers on our flights will be able to use their personal headphones (of any kind) on our in-flight entertainment system or their personal mobile devices. This service is available from gate to gate at any time, except, of course, while the safety video is being played. Please note that wireless or Bluetooth headphones may be used only on flights with WiFi, because of their technology." https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-and-updates/2018/policy-concerning-personal-headphones.html https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/book/travel-news-an... My flight was definitely a non-wifi flight, so I guess that was the issue?
  - rhinoceraptor 8y ago
    The only real reason to put your phone in airplane mode is to stop it from draining its battery looking for mobile networks.
    - fphhotchips 8y ago
      And, apparently, to stop your phone from rapidly pinging multiple towers at lower altitudes.

halflings 8y ago

Google did all those things. The Pixel 3 will include USB C headphones and a dongle [1]. They have worked with Bose and other manufacturers on new bluetooth headphones that have additional functionality (switching between apps, talking with the assistant app). [2] [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/pixel-3-includes-usb-c-headphones-dongle-in-the-box/ https://www.cnet.com/news/pixel-3-includes-usb-c-headphones-... [2] https://www.blog.google/products/assistant/headphones-optimized-for-the-assistant/ https://www.blog.google/products/assistant/headphones-optimi...

wlesieutre 8y ago
I’m not just talking about one manufacturer on the Android side though, I’m talking about compatibility in the whole ecosystem. Google is including headphones that work with their phone, great, it would be embarrassing it they didn’t. If the headphone cable breaks and you buy replacement USB-C earbuds from another manufacturer, will it work with Google’s phones? Or will Google’s earbuds work with your partner’s non-Pixel phone? The point I want to make is that’s not a question you need to ask with Lightning or 3.5mm headphones. With USB-C you do.
- space_fountain 8y ago
  Since the Pixel Phones implement an open standard for USB-C audio actually yes it should just work cross device. Interesting this isn't something that's actually true of lighting headphones. There's no way to use those on any other brand of phone. I think what you're really saying here is that you like the fact that the IPhone has huge market share. That's a fair position to hold, but I personally vastly prefer open standards that can be implemented by anyone to closed ones.
  - Retric 8y ago
    In cases like this "should" often translates to 'no' then 'sometimes' then 'mostly' but rarely a simple 'yes'. EX: "Why USB-C audio still doesn't work" https://www.pcworld.com/article/3284186/mobile/bring-back-the-headphone-jack-why-usb-c-audio-still-doesnt-work.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/3284186/mobile/bring-back-th...

pacuna 8y ago

My pixel 2 also came with an adapter for the 3.5mm, and my bluetooth headphones worked fine as always. And I think google also has the pixel earbuds?

wlesieutre 8y ago
See linked article above, you have an adapter that works with your phone, but it might not work with your friend’s phone, or your friends’ adapter/headphones may not work with your phone, and if your adapter breaks and you replace it you’ll need to be careful with finding a compatible replacement. With lightning headphones and adapters they’re all just compatible. I don’t know anyone with Pixel earbuds, but their reviews online aren’t stellar.
- strictnein 8y ago
  > "With lightning headphones and adapters they’re all just compatible." Except with, you know, the large majority of the phones in the market today.
  - wlesieutre 8y ago
    Ok, they're compatible with phones that have a lightning port. Unlike the USB-C "one port shape, a million devices and cables implementing various optional subsets of the specification" compatibility mess. As long as you use the cables that came with each device, you're great. If you're buying aftermarket accessories, research carefully, and best-case find a review from someone with the exact same set of devices and cables. I say this as a USB-C laptop owner. The either-orientation plugs are great, the charging from whichever side of the computer is more convenient is great. But just because a cable says it supports DisplayPort alternate mode with multi-stream transport at 4K/60Hz doesn't mean it's going to work. EDIT - actually more to the point, just because it has USB-C at one end and DisplayPort at the other, doesn't mean it supports multi-stream transport at 4K/60Hz. Right port shapes? Check. Does what you expect it to when you plug it into your gadgets? Flip a coin. And then put your screen into DisplayPort 1.2 30Hz compatibility mode and pretend the low refresh rate doesn't bother you. It's a standards compliant cable, just not the right part of the standard.

atomical 8y ago

The bluetooth earbuds are starting to get better. The Bragi Pro is much better than the Dash. I don't have experience with Apple's earbuds but I'm going to guess users are facing similar issues with bluetooth connectivity and interference issues. I think of bluetooth earbuds as this generations skipping CD's. It's totally unnecessary though. They could have waited.

cartsagis 8y ago
Airpods are fantastic, haven't had any of these issues.
gehsty 8y ago
Airpods are insanely good. Virtually no issues with quality or interference and I got them the day they were released. Bose QC35s are also great, just not as reliable as airpods... one thing with airpods is that I think all headphones know when I take them off and to pause music...
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  The only complaint I've heard about AirPods is the audio quality, in that that they're typical of Apple's earbuds. Better than the $10 generic ones on Amazon, worse than $150 wired earbuds from Sennheiser etc. Bluetooth reliability is better than any other headphones, battery life is impressive for how tiny they are, pairing (with iOS/macOS) works better than other bluetooth devices, the charging case is better thought out than other "true wireless" earbuds. Customer satisfaction surveys are ridiculously positive (IIRC 98% or 99%). I haven't bought them yet myself (just because they cost money), but maybe when the 2nd gen comes out I'll take another look.
  - bdcravens 8y ago
    AirPod battery life isn't great when you're using the mic too (think a Skype call) but the fact that you can use one at a time while other charges makes it pretty manageable.

FireBeyond 8y ago

"that work on all iPhones", "that work on all iPhones", "that work on all iPhones". Versus "uses a standard that more than one vendor will license". Yet you seem to think the first is better. I have a iPhone XS. I had really nice headphones. I despise the headphone adapter, it's horrible in my pockets and I am waiting for the cord to fray just like my Macbook power cables do. "Go all in on Apple" or "sucks to be you" are very polarizing options.

hellisothers 8y ago
The operative difference that the person (and your quotes) highlight is they shipped a solution “that works” on all the devices you care about. Using a standard technology is a good idea on paper, but I’d rather get something that “just works”.
- FireBeyond 8y ago
  "that works" for varying degrees of "works". I happen to think that the lightning-to-3.5 adapter doesn't "just work" in the Apple sense, but is rather "minimally functional", not aesthetic, not graceful.
  - yzmtf2008 8y ago
    It's a difference between "I know it works on my device" and "I don't know if it will play sound, answer calls, not work at all, or only work if I turn on usb storage every time"
    - FireBeyond 8y ago
      Given that my discussion was between Lightning and 3.5", I think none of those "comparisons" were particularly apt.
- rewgs 8y ago
  Explain to me how an analog 1/8th inch jack doesn't "just work."

sundvor 8y ago

The Samsung flagship phones retained the jack and has USB C. And no silly notch, just a clean design around the smallest their sensors could be.

ThatPlayer 8y ago
LG flagships have a notch, but are great otherwise. I'd argue their notch came first with the LG V10 and V20, but they were bigger and allowed you to use the rest of the screen as a 'second screen' which is what it is marketed as.
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  The V20 second screen seemed a much better idea though. No need for the main screen to be on, but have a tiny second screen that can remain on for notifications, music player and such. Even placing it at top right seemed more sensible than splitting in 2. Can't comment on the reality or in day to day use as I never encountered a v20. They were never released here.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> Android manufacturers have not matched that with USB-C audio. They just copied "Step 0) Remove the headphone jack." Well, except Samsung. Who, IIRC, is has by far the highest flagship sales of any Android handset vendor; they not only kept the headset jack but for the last couple generations have started tearing the premium wired earbuds they are not including as a selling feature.

reanimated 8y ago
There is a reports already that currently flagships are the last ones: https://www.google.lt/amp/s/amp.tomsguide.com/us/samsung-dropping-headphone-jack-2019,news-28281.html https://www.google.lt/amp/s/amp.tomsguide.com/us/samsung-dro...

PascLeRasc 8y ago

Not to mention they're much easier to get than USB-C ones. Google's official dongle is rarely in stock while Apple's is available in stores all over. I went in for one this week to see if I could live with no headphone jack and the guy just gave me one and told me I didn't have to pay. Yeah you could go to Best Buy if you need a dongle ASAP, but then you get to play the "is this analog or digital" game.