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the CEO one of the chinese phone companies (i can't remember which one) just came straight out and told theverge what we all assumed: the notch isn't necessary,

the CEO one of the chinese phone companies (i can't remember which one) just came straight out and told theverge what we all assumed: the notch isn't necessary, but consumers see a notch as "premium". So they notch the display, because that tests better in their market research.

staeff777 8y ago
Well, there are some devices that try to inrease the screensize to the max, for example the Oneplus 6 (which has sadly a very high SAR value) or the newly "leaks" of de Mate 20.
JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
We are truly living in the age of idiocracy. I heard Alan Kay sum it up well in a podcast this morning where he was talking about how evolution doesn't have to evolve to be the best anything. Paraphrasing- "If you live in a stupid environment, stupid is the most fit."
- p1esk 8y ago
  It's not like at any time in the past this was any different.
- starsinspace 8y ago
  Which podcast was it?
  - endz 8y ago
    It's from the book, Valley of Genius: The Uncensored History of Silicon Valley
    - JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
      Yep the Leo Laporte podcast Valley of Genius.
gehsty 8y ago
A notch is necessary for the faceid sensor array. If you don’t need a foreword facing sensor array you should get rid of the notch. If you have a finnger print sensor on the rear why not make a no-notch phone with an edge to edge display and no notch? Do you think Apple came to the same conclusion? That a notch was a necessity to appear premium? No they didn’t because they were not copying anyone else’s phone design, they included a notch so faceid worked.
- nkrisc 8y ago
  It appears you've misunderstood the comment you're replying to. The notch is considered premium because Apple did it and imitator are only doing it because Apple did, not because they need to for the same reasons that Apple did.
  - gehsty 8y ago
    Agreed
  - sundvor 8y ago
    Yes! It's a mad world where a design compromise suddenly becomes something to be emulated all by itself. "It's not a bug, it's a feature". I hate the look of the notch, but at least the rest of the iPhone looks super slick. The Pixel Notch instead just made an unattractive design far far worse. Bravo!
    - nkrisc 8y ago
      Someone else pointed out the screen doesn't even go all the way to the bottom, making the notch look entirely superfluous. At least the iPhone actually uses all the space on the front, even if the notch looks absurd.
      - sundvor 8y ago
        Yep, exactly. It is absurd. Apple has a valid excuse/reason for their notch, even as much as though I personally disagree with their design choice.
p1necone 8y ago
Surely the notch is necessary if you want the screen to cover the rest of the face of the phone, otherwise where does the front facing camera go?
borgel 8y ago
I think it was the CEO of OnePlus [1]. https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/28/17152840/oneplus-6-notch-size-android-flagship https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/28/17152840/oneplus-6-notch-...

staeff777 8y ago

Well, there are some devices that try to inrease the screensize to the max, for example the Oneplus 6 (which has sadly a very high SAR value) or the newly "leaks" of de Mate 20.

JohnJamesRambo 8y ago

We are truly living in the age of idiocracy. I heard Alan Kay sum it up well in a podcast this morning where he was talking about how evolution doesn't have to evolve to be the best anything. Paraphrasing- "If you live in a stupid environment, stupid is the most fit."

p1esk 8y ago
It's not like at any time in the past this was any different.
starsinspace 8y ago
Which podcast was it?
- endz 8y ago
  It's from the book, Valley of Genius: The Uncensored History of Silicon Valley
  - JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
    Yep the Leo Laporte podcast Valley of Genius.

gehsty 8y ago

A notch is necessary for the faceid sensor array. If you don’t need a foreword facing sensor array you should get rid of the notch. If you have a finnger print sensor on the rear why not make a no-notch phone with an edge to edge display and no notch? Do you think Apple came to the same conclusion? That a notch was a necessity to appear premium? No they didn’t because they were not copying anyone else’s phone design, they included a notch so faceid worked.

nkrisc 8y ago
It appears you've misunderstood the comment you're replying to. The notch is considered premium because Apple did it and imitator are only doing it because Apple did, not because they need to for the same reasons that Apple did.
- gehsty 8y ago
  Agreed
- sundvor 8y ago
  Yes! It's a mad world where a design compromise suddenly becomes something to be emulated all by itself. "It's not a bug, it's a feature". I hate the look of the notch, but at least the rest of the iPhone looks super slick. The Pixel Notch instead just made an unattractive design far far worse. Bravo!
  - nkrisc 8y ago
    Someone else pointed out the screen doesn't even go all the way to the bottom, making the notch look entirely superfluous. At least the iPhone actually uses all the space on the front, even if the notch looks absurd.
    - sundvor 8y ago
      Yep, exactly. It is absurd. Apple has a valid excuse/reason for their notch, even as much as though I personally disagree with their design choice.

p1necone 8y ago

Surely the notch is necessary if you want the screen to cover the rest of the face of the phone, otherwise where does the front facing camera go?

borgel 8y ago

I think it was the CEO of OnePlus [1]. https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/28/17152840/oneplus-6-notch-size-android-flagship https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/28/17152840/oneplus-6-notch-...