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I'm gonna step in and defend the Bose headphones that he seems to have had some seriously bad luck with. I had a pair of wired QC25's as my first pair, and the

I'm gonna step in and defend the Bose headphones that he seems to have had some seriously bad luck with. I had a pair of wired QC25's as my first pair, and they had some really good noise cancelling. I could still distantly hear people talk, but when I had music on them (albeit probably louder than him) I could hear almost nothing. Regarding Quality: Those QC25s were used when I got them (couldn't justify full price at the time), and they lasted for about 2.5 years beyond, being used literally every day for 5+ hours per day (Programming with music is my thing) When those broke, I had absolutely no problem justifying what seems to be an exorbitant price for the newer bluetooth QC35 set. These are far beyond what the other set were. Nowadays I keep my music much quieter - listening to soft electronica at maybe 1/4 of the volume I used to, and when I do that, I can't even hear myself type on my mechanical keyboard, let alone any people talking. People can come up to my desk and talk directly to me and I won't realize it unless I see their mouth moving. I'm not sure why his experience with Bose has been so bad, but I'm more likely to suspect he got a lemon for his headphones. I have had my QC35's now for....2 years, with I would average at 6-8h of use every day at work. They don't have a single iota of visible wear on them, and the battery life is still 24-32 hours on a single charge. I imagine that, barring any accidents with them, they will probably last another 2+ years for me.

tachion 8y ago
I've tried many and I must agree with the OP - Bose headphones are terrible in terms of build quality and materials, bad in terms of sound quality, average when it comes to noise cancelation, poor in terms of features and absolutely bad at this price tag. I've settled for Sennheiser's Momementum and can't recommend them more - made of metal and leather, build to last, superb sound quality, very good noise cancelation and nice features and amazing support. I'm really surprised they're not discovered by people spending such amount of money on headphones.
- pathartl 8y ago
  I'm going to go against you and agree with the person your commenting on. I really only bought my QC35's because I was backed into a corner with my iPhone 7. I wanted bluetooth over-the-ear headphones that could also do wired, had good battery life, and sounded okay. After plonking down the $350 I was pleasantly surprised by the build quality, 20+ hr battery life, and the comfort. The noise reduction is pretty incredible and I've heard things in songs that I've never heard before. They are not the 100% best sounding headphones. However, the clarity and imaging they provide is pretty astounding and I think they compete with any similarly priced competitor. I'm the kind of guy that will take speakers over headphones any day, and I find myself using the QC35's more than my speakers these days.
  - runevault 8y ago
    Are there ANY noise cancelling headphones that could be said to have REALLY high quality sound? I didn't full appreciate the difference until I got HD280Pros for at home (I don't need noise cancelling in my house) and realized how much better they sound then my QC 25s I use at work.
    - CrazedGeek 8y ago
      Depending on where your cutoff for "REALLY high quality sound" is, the Bowers & Wilkins PX are pretty solid, and people on /r/headphones seem to like the Sony WH1000XM line.
      - cjmoran 8y ago
        I can also recommend the Sony WH-1000XM line. I have the XM2, though the model 3 is out now. Some of the only headphones out there that beat Bose in active noise-cancelling. The sound quality is top notch; the one complaint people tend to have when I show them off is that the earcups are on the small side and they touch some people's ears. Doesn't really bother me though.
    - semi-extrinsic 8y ago
      Have you tried using your HD280Pros at work? They are closed back recording studio headphones, explicitly designed to not let a lot of sound out, so that backing track isn't picked up by vocal mic etc. So passive noise isolation should be O(20dB), which should be sufficient unless your workplace is very noisy. I have a pair of AKG K271 mk2 at work (same category as your HD280), as well as the Bose QC35s. The AKGs give a bit less isolation, but for extended use (6-10h) wearing comfort as well as audio quality, they blow the Bose right out of the water. The QC35s have been relegated to travelling only.
    - tracker1 8y ago
      I think it's a balancing act... for the most part the differences in sound will come down to preference. There are also variances in price, comfort, etc. I think the Bose QCs strike a really good balance. I find them to physically be the most comfortable for around-ear headphones on my head. They don't weigh too much, they don't squeeze my head like a vice... It just depends.
- rublev 8y ago
  You miss the point entirely. The sound quality is incredible, don't be an asshole by pretending you can care/or even hear the minute differences between hi hats and lip smacking, much less caring. The noise cancellation is fantastic. I literally can't hear people who are a foot away from me. What more do you want? Sennheiser Momentum aren't even close. Wired is a complete deal breaker for many people. Built to last? I've had every bose pair for YEARS, replaced instantly if any issue. Find me cheaper headphones with similar warranty, same quality, and wireless, that i absolutely don't have to mess with EVER to get working.
- fhood 8y ago
  Huh, weird how much opinions differ. My current main headphones are HD650s but my work headphones are qc25s, and I have no complaints about the Bose build quality, noise canceling, or comfort. Sure they could sound better, but music at work is a background thing, not a foreground thing.
  - Spooky23 8y ago
    I've had similar conversations with people about headphones. My theory is that there are alot of fakes in the channel. Barring subjective things like sound quality that I'm really not comfortable weighing in on, I just haven't found the Bose products to be fundamentally flawed in terms of build quality or noise cancellation. It may vary based on your office -- I don't have some crazy person simulating machine guns on a mechanical keyboard 3 feet away or a super loud, pure open office space with warehouse ceilings either.
- theptip 8y ago
  Some empirical results seem to contradict your claim "average when it comes to noise cancelling": https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tests/isolation/noise-isolation-cancellation-passive-active https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tests/isolation/noise-isol... This gives Bose QuietComfort 35 overall attenuation -27.08 dB, which is only beaten by the Sony wh-1000xm3, and some Etymotic in-ear buds. Notably that number is more than 2x the attenuation of the Momentum, at -12.35 dB.
  - web007 8y ago
    That's more like 30x better, since dB is log scale. Each +/- 3dB is about double/half as loud.
    - Acen 8y ago
      It's important to differentiate between power and perceived volume. Usually a person won't notice an increase in volume unless it has a 3-5dB (3dB = double in power) increase. And won't perceive a double in volume without a 10dB (10dB = 10x increase in power) increase and even then it depends on the specific frequency. Some things to check out would be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevens%27s_power_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevens%27s_power_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law (and thus Just Noticable Difference [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-noticeable_difference] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-noticeable_difference])
- jjrh 8y ago
  Those Sennheiser are not active noise cancelling which is the defining feature of Bose QC headphones - and why people are paying the money. Closed back headphones do work great for blocking noise, but are usually heavier and less comfortable.
  - fossuser 8y ago
    That's been my experience with people who go on about how terrible the Bose headphones are. You can get passive noise cancelling with Shure in ear phones (basically ear plugs) that is pretty good, but Bose is by far the best for active noise cancelling. Their build quality and sound is also pretty good. I have a decent music background and also have Sennheiser HD650s which the audiophile crowd loves, but I think their build quality is cheap plastic (they're also open, require an amp, and cost $400). I think the Bose hate is mostly tribal nonsense - it's cool to signal audiophile virtue by hating a dominant brand that lay people like.
    - wilsonnb3 8y ago
      For the record, many people think that Sony’s new WH-1000XM3 have better ANC than Bose. Bose hasn’t been the clear leader in at least a few years.
    - snovv_crash 8y ago
      I have Momentums with ANC. They were rebranded as HD1, and now the Momentum is just closed back. But as far as I am aware Sennheiser makes the only headphones with both ANC _and_ premium materials, built to last.
    - jjrh 8y ago
      > I think the Bose hate is mostly tribal nonsense - it's cool to signal audiophile virtue by hating a dominant brand that lay people like. I think most of the Bose hate comes from their speakers which cost quite a bit for the sound quality. Much of that might be historical. These days though I don't think anyone buys Bose products solely for their sound quality, they buy them for specific use cases like noise cancelling, or filling a room with a very small speaker (those Bose sound docks were pretty incredible when they came out). Bose has done a good job at doing something unique while offering sound quality that is mostly good enough.
mplewis 8y ago
I still have not used a pair of NC headphones that muffles noise as well as my QC35. It's like stepping into a bubble.
yarrel 8y ago
I sometimes wonder if my QC25s are on, or whether the weirdly oval silicon earbuds are actually in my ears. They don't cut out music or conversation. When I take them off I realise they've cut out a lot of white noise/background noise. But they just focus distractions, really. With music on, yes, they work much better. But whenever there are gaps between the music the distractions come right back. I need earbuds rather than headphones for portability, and I was prepared to be realistic about what this meant for noise reduction. But if there was anything better than the QC25s in a similar form factor I would switch in a heartbeat.
e40 8y ago
I have had my QC35's now for....2 years, with I would average at 6-8h of use every day at work. They don't have a single iota of visible wear on them, and the battery life is still 24-32 hours on a single charge. I imagine that, barring any accidents with them, they will probably last another 2+ years for me. Same here, but I use them walking 1+ hour a day. With all that sweat over the years, still look and perform like new. Yes, they were expensive, but I consider them the best value of any purchase in the last few years.
- chris11 8y ago
  I've had a little less luck with wear on my QC25s, but repair was easy. I've just had to replace the earpads and the cord, both were easy and inexpensive repairs. And I'm happy with the noise cancellation.
- amag 8y ago
  I've had my QC35's for a bit over a year. Initially I was amazed by them but after a while I started to hear sharp noise when in complete silence (and not using the QC's), e.g. when going to sleep. So while I still use them I don't use the noise cancellation, which kind of defeats the purpose of having them...
  - vitorbaptistaa 8y ago
    Sharp noises? You mean you have developed tinnitus after using the Bose headphone and you think it was related? Do you know if other people experienced the same?
    - realityloop 8y ago
      This the same reason I stopped using my QC25’s i’ve often wondered if any other people may have had the same result. My logic was that they are creating opposing frequencies at the same level of sound pressure as the ambient you are trying to override meaning it’s still loud, just not in a perceptible way. So especially on airplanes, I now use earplugs instead.
LandR 8y ago
I have BOSE QC for years now too, but they haven't been reliable at all. I've been lucky that BOSE keep replacing / fixing them... There was a period where they were needing replaced every 8 months or so and I like to think I take good care of my stuff. I'm not rough with them. The current set has at least been good for a few years now. All I have to do is replace the ear muff bits but that's expected and I had to replace the cable about 9 months ago. Can't fault the sound quality though and the noise cancellation is great.
- mgkimsal 8y ago
  similar - went through a pair of QC20 - replaced 5 times in 3 years. rarely do we get extended warranties - my wife had read a few places saying to get it, and we did. she got a pair - no problems, but she uses them at most a few hours a week. mine, I'm wearing probably 8-10 hours per day, 7 days a week. I slept with them in, initially, but I'm sure that contributed to the first breakage, so I quit doing that.
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Yizahi 8y ago
My QC25 bought new for 120$ are damn awesome. Half of my office tried them over last year and the conclusion was unanimous - they are great. Office noise is cut completely including most of the normal talking. Airplane noise is cut especially effectively, it seems they are optimized for it. Old subway and old trams are very high frequency and are cut only partially but still noticeably. As for build, soft materials look flimsy but neither band nor earpads are torn or degraded after 1 year of usage (office and rare travel), cord is good too. And wires in the moving part of headset looks very well implemented. I think up to 200$ ANC headphones are a very good buy, 350$ is debatable.
damontal 8y ago
don't they make your ears hot? i can wear my 25's but have to take them off at least each hour just to cool off.
8ytecoder 8y ago
I discovered the Bose QC15 6 years ago. What was then borrowing my boss's headphones then led to me buying one for my travels. After my passport, it's the bose headphones that I make it a point to never forget. Air travel is so much better for me because of them. At least for me, the sound quality is absolutely great. Noise cancellation is top notch. I got them for my then girlfriend who has ADHD and it changed her life as well. (I have tried a variety of headphones and earphones for the past 12 years or so and have decided I'm not buying anything else. Also, I'm 100% not the type to go by a brand name or pay an exorbitant amount for products that are not necessary)
- steve19 8y ago
  My experience also. They seemed like a crazy large expense for a set of headphones I only use a dozen times a year. But I can't travel without them.
another-cuppa 8y ago
When I put music on my shitty earbuds I can't hear anything else either.

tachion 8y ago

I've tried many and I must agree with the OP - Bose headphones are terrible in terms of build quality and materials, bad in terms of sound quality, average when it comes to noise cancelation, poor in terms of features and absolutely bad at this price tag. I've settled for Sennheiser's Momementum and can't recommend them more - made of metal and leather, build to last, superb sound quality, very good noise cancelation and nice features and amazing support. I'm really surprised they're not discovered by people spending such amount of money on headphones.

pathartl 8y ago
I'm going to go against you and agree with the person your commenting on. I really only bought my QC35's because I was backed into a corner with my iPhone 7. I wanted bluetooth over-the-ear headphones that could also do wired, had good battery life, and sounded okay. After plonking down the $350 I was pleasantly surprised by the build quality, 20+ hr battery life, and the comfort. The noise reduction is pretty incredible and I've heard things in songs that I've never heard before. They are not the 100% best sounding headphones. However, the clarity and imaging they provide is pretty astounding and I think they compete with any similarly priced competitor. I'm the kind of guy that will take speakers over headphones any day, and I find myself using the QC35's more than my speakers these days.
- runevault 8y ago
  Are there ANY noise cancelling headphones that could be said to have REALLY high quality sound? I didn't full appreciate the difference until I got HD280Pros for at home (I don't need noise cancelling in my house) and realized how much better they sound then my QC 25s I use at work.
  - CrazedGeek 8y ago
    Depending on where your cutoff for "REALLY high quality sound" is, the Bowers & Wilkins PX are pretty solid, and people on /r/headphones seem to like the Sony WH1000XM line.
    - cjmoran 8y ago
      I can also recommend the Sony WH-1000XM line. I have the XM2, though the model 3 is out now. Some of the only headphones out there that beat Bose in active noise-cancelling. The sound quality is top notch; the one complaint people tend to have when I show them off is that the earcups are on the small side and they touch some people's ears. Doesn't really bother me though.
  - semi-extrinsic 8y ago
    Have you tried using your HD280Pros at work? They are closed back recording studio headphones, explicitly designed to not let a lot of sound out, so that backing track isn't picked up by vocal mic etc. So passive noise isolation should be O(20dB), which should be sufficient unless your workplace is very noisy. I have a pair of AKG K271 mk2 at work (same category as your HD280), as well as the Bose QC35s. The AKGs give a bit less isolation, but for extended use (6-10h) wearing comfort as well as audio quality, they blow the Bose right out of the water. The QC35s have been relegated to travelling only.
  - tracker1 8y ago
    I think it's a balancing act... for the most part the differences in sound will come down to preference. There are also variances in price, comfort, etc. I think the Bose QCs strike a really good balance. I find them to physically be the most comfortable for around-ear headphones on my head. They don't weigh too much, they don't squeeze my head like a vice... It just depends.
rublev 8y ago
You miss the point entirely. The sound quality is incredible, don't be an asshole by pretending you can care/or even hear the minute differences between hi hats and lip smacking, much less caring. The noise cancellation is fantastic. I literally can't hear people who are a foot away from me. What more do you want? Sennheiser Momentum aren't even close. Wired is a complete deal breaker for many people. Built to last? I've had every bose pair for YEARS, replaced instantly if any issue. Find me cheaper headphones with similar warranty, same quality, and wireless, that i absolutely don't have to mess with EVER to get working.
fhood 8y ago
Huh, weird how much opinions differ. My current main headphones are HD650s but my work headphones are qc25s, and I have no complaints about the Bose build quality, noise canceling, or comfort. Sure they could sound better, but music at work is a background thing, not a foreground thing.
- Spooky23 8y ago
  I've had similar conversations with people about headphones. My theory is that there are alot of fakes in the channel. Barring subjective things like sound quality that I'm really not comfortable weighing in on, I just haven't found the Bose products to be fundamentally flawed in terms of build quality or noise cancellation. It may vary based on your office -- I don't have some crazy person simulating machine guns on a mechanical keyboard 3 feet away or a super loud, pure open office space with warehouse ceilings either.
theptip 8y ago
Some empirical results seem to contradict your claim "average when it comes to noise cancelling": https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tests/isolation/noise-isolation-cancellation-passive-active https://www.rtings.com/headphones/tests/isolation/noise-isol... This gives Bose QuietComfort 35 overall attenuation -27.08 dB, which is only beaten by the Sony wh-1000xm3, and some Etymotic in-ear buds. Notably that number is more than 2x the attenuation of the Momentum, at -12.35 dB.
- web007 8y ago
  That's more like 30x better, since dB is log scale. Each +/- 3dB is about double/half as loud.
  - Acen 8y ago
    It's important to differentiate between power and perceived volume. Usually a person won't notice an increase in volume unless it has a 3-5dB (3dB = double in power) increase. And won't perceive a double in volume without a 10dB (10dB = 10x increase in power) increase and even then it depends on the specific frequency. Some things to check out would be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevens%27s_power_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevens%27s_power_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber%E2%80%93Fechner_law (and thus Just Noticable Difference [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-noticeable_difference] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-noticeable_difference])
jjrh 8y ago
Those Sennheiser are not active noise cancelling which is the defining feature of Bose QC headphones - and why people are paying the money. Closed back headphones do work great for blocking noise, but are usually heavier and less comfortable.
- fossuser 8y ago
  That's been my experience with people who go on about how terrible the Bose headphones are. You can get passive noise cancelling with Shure in ear phones (basically ear plugs) that is pretty good, but Bose is by far the best for active noise cancelling. Their build quality and sound is also pretty good. I have a decent music background and also have Sennheiser HD650s which the audiophile crowd loves, but I think their build quality is cheap plastic (they're also open, require an amp, and cost $400). I think the Bose hate is mostly tribal nonsense - it's cool to signal audiophile virtue by hating a dominant brand that lay people like.
  - wilsonnb3 8y ago
    For the record, many people think that Sony’s new WH-1000XM3 have better ANC than Bose. Bose hasn’t been the clear leader in at least a few years.
  - snovv_crash 8y ago
    I have Momentums with ANC. They were rebranded as HD1, and now the Momentum is just closed back. But as far as I am aware Sennheiser makes the only headphones with both ANC _and_ premium materials, built to last.
  - jjrh 8y ago
    > I think the Bose hate is mostly tribal nonsense - it's cool to signal audiophile virtue by hating a dominant brand that lay people like. I think most of the Bose hate comes from their speakers which cost quite a bit for the sound quality. Much of that might be historical. These days though I don't think anyone buys Bose products solely for their sound quality, they buy them for specific use cases like noise cancelling, or filling a room with a very small speaker (those Bose sound docks were pretty incredible when they came out). Bose has done a good job at doing something unique while offering sound quality that is mostly good enough.

mplewis 8y ago

I still have not used a pair of NC headphones that muffles noise as well as my QC35. It's like stepping into a bubble.

yarrel 8y ago

I sometimes wonder if my QC25s are on, or whether the weirdly oval silicon earbuds are actually in my ears. They don't cut out music or conversation. When I take them off I realise they've cut out a lot of white noise/background noise. But they just focus distractions, really. With music on, yes, they work much better. But whenever there are gaps between the music the distractions come right back. I need earbuds rather than headphones for portability, and I was prepared to be realistic about what this meant for noise reduction. But if there was anything better than the QC25s in a similar form factor I would switch in a heartbeat.

e40 8y ago

I have had my QC35's now for....2 years, with I would average at 6-8h of use every day at work. They don't have a single iota of visible wear on them, and the battery life is still 24-32 hours on a single charge. I imagine that, barring any accidents with them, they will probably last another 2+ years for me. Same here, but I use them walking 1+ hour a day. With all that sweat over the years, still look and perform like new. Yes, they were expensive, but I consider them the best value of any purchase in the last few years.

chris11 8y ago
I've had a little less luck with wear on my QC25s, but repair was easy. I've just had to replace the earpads and the cord, both were easy and inexpensive repairs. And I'm happy with the noise cancellation.
amag 8y ago
I've had my QC35's for a bit over a year. Initially I was amazed by them but after a while I started to hear sharp noise when in complete silence (and not using the QC's), e.g. when going to sleep. So while I still use them I don't use the noise cancellation, which kind of defeats the purpose of having them...
- vitorbaptistaa 8y ago
  Sharp noises? You mean you have developed tinnitus after using the Bose headphone and you think it was related? Do you know if other people experienced the same?
  - realityloop 8y ago
    This the same reason I stopped using my QC25’s i’ve often wondered if any other people may have had the same result. My logic was that they are creating opposing frequencies at the same level of sound pressure as the ambient you are trying to override meaning it’s still loud, just not in a perceptible way. So especially on airplanes, I now use earplugs instead.

LandR 8y ago

I have BOSE QC for years now too, but they haven't been reliable at all. I've been lucky that BOSE keep replacing / fixing them... There was a period where they were needing replaced every 8 months or so and I like to think I take good care of my stuff. I'm not rough with them. The current set has at least been good for a few years now. All I have to do is replace the ear muff bits but that's expected and I had to replace the cable about 9 months ago. Can't fault the sound quality though and the noise cancellation is great.

mgkimsal 8y ago
similar - went through a pair of QC20 - replaced 5 times in 3 years. rarely do we get extended warranties - my wife had read a few places saying to get it, and we did. she got a pair - no problems, but she uses them at most a few hours a week. mine, I'm wearing probably 8-10 hours per day, 7 days a week. I slept with them in, initially, but I'm sure that contributed to the first breakage, so I quit doing that.

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Yizahi 8y ago

My QC25 bought new for 120$ are damn awesome. Half of my office tried them over last year and the conclusion was unanimous - they are great. Office noise is cut completely including most of the normal talking. Airplane noise is cut especially effectively, it seems they are optimized for it. Old subway and old trams are very high frequency and are cut only partially but still noticeably. As for build, soft materials look flimsy but neither band nor earpads are torn or degraded after 1 year of usage (office and rare travel), cord is good too. And wires in the moving part of headset looks very well implemented. I think up to 200$ ANC headphones are a very good buy, 350$ is debatable.

damontal 8y ago

don't they make your ears hot? i can wear my 25's but have to take them off at least each hour just to cool off.

8ytecoder 8y ago

I discovered the Bose QC15 6 years ago. What was then borrowing my boss's headphones then led to me buying one for my travels. After my passport, it's the bose headphones that I make it a point to never forget. Air travel is so much better for me because of them. At least for me, the sound quality is absolutely great. Noise cancellation is top notch. I got them for my then girlfriend who has ADHD and it changed her life as well. (I have tried a variety of headphones and earphones for the past 12 years or so and have decided I'm not buying anything else. Also, I'm 100% not the type to go by a brand name or pay an exorbitant amount for products that are not necessary)

steve19 8y ago
My experience also. They seemed like a crazy large expense for a set of headphones I only use a dozen times a year. But I can't travel without them.

another-cuppa 8y ago

When I put music on my shitty earbuds I can't hear anything else either.