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These articles always frustrate the crap out of me as "life expectancy" isn't the right metric; While living longer we tend to be sick (both physical and mental

These articles always frustrate the crap out of me as "life expectancy" isn't the right metric; While living longer we tend to be sick (both physical and mental) longer. Just think of the fact that we've seen an increase in the amount of "confused people" and even hotlines to report those; Getting overstimulated by shocking videos/news outlets on our phones, feeling ousted/depressed by seeing other people pretend to have happy lives on social media or seeing marketing from websites pretending its perfectly normal to play with each others feelings by having affairs.

lox 8y ago
Your comment is the perfect illustration of exactly the issues that you complain about. You make sweeping claims without citations that are meant to invoke a deep sense that despite data showing otherwise that life is getting worse. Consider that you are part of the problem.
- chatterUptick 8y ago
  You can't neglect the toxicity of egotism flaunting status in the face of those without. It's a provocation potent enough to touch off wars. If you're tired of the usual punchng bags, then how about maybe the French Revolution being a less fatigued example. Your willful ignorance is just as easily part of the problem.
- nlstitch 8y ago
  Ouch man; no need to make this personal. Thanks for agreeing with me though. Here you go; 14% increase of confused people (dutch) ; https://demonitor.kro-ncrv.nl/onderzoeken/verwarde-mensen https://demonitor.kro-ncrv.nl/onderzoeken/verwarde-mensen Living longer but sick longer; https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-expectancy-average-healthy-the-lancet-diseases-when-will-i-die-a7349826.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-expectancy-a... https://www.marketwatch.com/story/prepare-for-a-sick-old-age-twice-as-many-older-people-will-suffer-from-four-or-more-diseases-by-2035-2018-01-25 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/prepare-for-a-sick-old-age... TED talk about children getting overstimulated by Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9EKV2nSU8w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9EKV2nSU8w
  - wild_preference 8y ago
    fwiw “confused” isn’t an appropriate word for mentally ill in english.
    - nlstitch 8y ago
      I had some doubts about using that word but people don't necessarily need to be "ill"; Your average Joe is able to "snap" (let alone be confused about life or have a momentary mental breakdown) too. Being mentally ill on the other hand is stating its there for a longer period. (e.g days/months/lifetime).
- pokemongoaway 8y ago
  Classic leftist claiming to be able to read someone's intentions. I agree with parent poster - why isn't he allowed to state his view that the article's view is warped? And why is infant mortality disqualified as evidence? Just that one correction completely paints a different picture.
Broken_Hippo 8y ago
I'll take it. I'm female. I happily have zero children at age 40. I'm able to be as open about my bisexuality and my atheism as I chose. In my life, I've had 2 fairly superficial cuts get infected - one was about 3 weeks ago, and accompanied a fall down the stairs. I also got a broken arm (elbow) out of the deal. The other was years ago, and had red streaks going up my thumb. These infections alone could have killed me. I probably could not have chosen to marry my spouse. I probably could not have chosen to be atheist and could not have openly been attracted to women as well as men. I'd have been expected to do womanly things and not rightfully been able to do things like rent an apartment, work and expect to keep my earnings as my own, and other such things. In many places, I could not vote either. My ex husband wound up being severely mentally ill. He would have gotten treated horribly if not experimented on. Mental hospitals can be horrible places now, yet they were houses of horrors back in the day. It is really difficult to compare being older yet sicker to days of the past as well, since some things would have simply killed you instead of being something you live with as a chronic disease. Type 1 diabetes - the sort that affects young folks - killed more often. Type 2 could easily do so as well. Heart attack? No treatments available, though you might be lucky enough to live through it. Stroke? Same thing, and then you are at the mercy of your children and family to take care of you (sometimes it is that way now, depending on where in the world you live). Meh. I'll take now, thank you very much.
- hycaria 8y ago
  >These infections alone could have killed me. I am a bit bothered by such statements. Bodies actually can go a long long way before dying. Broken bones can heal on their own for most simple fractures. It wouldve taken months, would've hurt more, might not have been be perfectly aligned, you might limp your whole life, but it works. (And more complex ones can also be difficult or impossible to heal even with modern help.) As for infections, even though it can go both ways, we can actually heal or at least fight them quite efficiently (if in sufficient health). Abscess, fistula, we have many ways of fighting back or curb infections. It's way more comfortable to skip a week of fever or annoying swelling though, with the perk of approximately guaranteed survival. (Also amputation is a rather ancient technique and can help a lot.) Even in this day many people can't or don't afford surgery or medication and still manage to survive wounds.
pokemongoaway 8y ago
Exactly. Fake news! Look at founding fathers of US, and how old they were... They need to separate out infant mortality data. Life expectancy is going down now anyway - and you only need eyes to know this. People in the west are very sick. Infant mortality is very high in the US, autism is extremely high, and if people think preventative beast removal surgery is smart - like was being pushed via Angelina - then you don't understand the stresses of mid-old age groups!

lox 8y ago

Your comment is the perfect illustration of exactly the issues that you complain about. You make sweeping claims without citations that are meant to invoke a deep sense that despite data showing otherwise that life is getting worse. Consider that you are part of the problem.

chatterUptick 8y ago
You can't neglect the toxicity of egotism flaunting status in the face of those without. It's a provocation potent enough to touch off wars. If you're tired of the usual punchng bags, then how about maybe the French Revolution being a less fatigued example. Your willful ignorance is just as easily part of the problem.
nlstitch 8y ago
Ouch man; no need to make this personal. Thanks for agreeing with me though. Here you go; 14% increase of confused people (dutch) ; https://demonitor.kro-ncrv.nl/onderzoeken/verwarde-mensen https://demonitor.kro-ncrv.nl/onderzoeken/verwarde-mensen Living longer but sick longer; https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-expectancy-average-healthy-the-lancet-diseases-when-will-i-die-a7349826.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/life-expectancy-a... https://www.marketwatch.com/story/prepare-for-a-sick-old-age-twice-as-many-older-people-will-suffer-from-four-or-more-diseases-by-2035-2018-01-25 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/prepare-for-a-sick-old-age... TED talk about children getting overstimulated by Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9EKV2nSU8w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9EKV2nSU8w
- wild_preference 8y ago
  fwiw “confused” isn’t an appropriate word for mentally ill in english.
  - nlstitch 8y ago
    I had some doubts about using that word but people don't necessarily need to be "ill"; Your average Joe is able to "snap" (let alone be confused about life or have a momentary mental breakdown) too. Being mentally ill on the other hand is stating its there for a longer period. (e.g days/months/lifetime).
pokemongoaway 8y ago
Classic leftist claiming to be able to read someone's intentions. I agree with parent poster - why isn't he allowed to state his view that the article's view is warped? And why is infant mortality disqualified as evidence? Just that one correction completely paints a different picture.

Broken_Hippo 8y ago

I'll take it. I'm female. I happily have zero children at age 40. I'm able to be as open about my bisexuality and my atheism as I chose. In my life, I've had 2 fairly superficial cuts get infected - one was about 3 weeks ago, and accompanied a fall down the stairs. I also got a broken arm (elbow) out of the deal. The other was years ago, and had red streaks going up my thumb. These infections alone could have killed me. I probably could not have chosen to marry my spouse. I probably could not have chosen to be atheist and could not have openly been attracted to women as well as men. I'd have been expected to do womanly things and not rightfully been able to do things like rent an apartment, work and expect to keep my earnings as my own, and other such things. In many places, I could not vote either. My ex husband wound up being severely mentally ill. He would have gotten treated horribly if not experimented on. Mental hospitals can be horrible places now, yet they were houses of horrors back in the day. It is really difficult to compare being older yet sicker to days of the past as well, since some things would have simply killed you instead of being something you live with as a chronic disease. Type 1 diabetes - the sort that affects young folks - killed more often. Type 2 could easily do so as well. Heart attack? No treatments available, though you might be lucky enough to live through it. Stroke? Same thing, and then you are at the mercy of your children and family to take care of you (sometimes it is that way now, depending on where in the world you live). Meh. I'll take now, thank you very much.

hycaria 8y ago
>These infections alone could have killed me. I am a bit bothered by such statements. Bodies actually can go a long long way before dying. Broken bones can heal on their own for most simple fractures. It wouldve taken months, would've hurt more, might not have been be perfectly aligned, you might limp your whole life, but it works. (And more complex ones can also be difficult or impossible to heal even with modern help.) As for infections, even though it can go both ways, we can actually heal or at least fight them quite efficiently (if in sufficient health). Abscess, fistula, we have many ways of fighting back or curb infections. It's way more comfortable to skip a week of fever or annoying swelling though, with the perk of approximately guaranteed survival. (Also amputation is a rather ancient technique and can help a lot.) Even in this day many people can't or don't afford surgery or medication and still manage to survive wounds.

pokemongoaway 8y ago

Exactly. Fake news! Look at founding fathers of US, and how old they were... They need to separate out infant mortality data. Life expectancy is going down now anyway - and you only need eyes to know this. People in the west are very sick. Infant mortality is very high in the US, autism is extremely high, and if people think preventative beast removal surgery is smart - like was being pushed via Angelina - then you don't understand the stresses of mid-old age groups!