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For example, there are cities that operate weekend (or certain hours of the day) pedestrian zones where streets in the city center are closed off to traffic. T

by alt_f4 8y ago

For example, there are cities that operate weekend (or certain hours of the day) pedestrian zones where streets in the city center are closed off to traffic. There are versions of this basic idea in many towns in England, usually looks something like this: https://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/medibigoff/58208fcecd7f7b2756b54293e1b17d94/tri-10628908.jpg https://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/medibigoff/58... Separately, there are cities that closed conventional asphalt roads to cars, without doing any physical road reconstruction, and just marked them as pedestrian-only. I've seen examples of this in Bulgaria and Romania. My point is, don't get too hung up on the terminology, but question why is there the need for so much car traffic in the city center and pretty much no restrictions on polluting vehicles. For example, in Berlin, your car needs to be at least Euro 4 compliant to enter the city center. As a result, the roads are less busy and the air quality is much better.

EugeneOZ 8y ago
No way, terminology is what we are arguing about. Only examples you were able to find are either temporary pedestrian zones or roads without physical reconstruction. Sidewalks are to separate pedestrians from cars, it was my point, so do not try to move discussion. About your main complaint, air pollution (at the moment I write it): Barcelona, center - 17, Berlin - 38, London - 46. https://aqicn.org/city/spain/catalunya/barcelona-eixample/ https://aqicn.org/city/spain/catalunya/barcelona-eixample/ http://aqicn.org/city/germany/berlin/ http://aqicn.org/city/germany/berlin/ https://aqicn.org/city/london/ https://aqicn.org/city/london/
- alt_f4 8y ago
  > No way, terminology is what we are arguing about Not really, my original point was that it's stupid to have intense car traffic surrounding the pedestrian part of La Rambla. But either way, your terminology argument is completely invalid too, as demonstrated by the examples. > Only examples you were able to find are either temporary pedestrian zones or roads without physical reconstruction. So, to sum up, according to you, my argument is invalid because, excluding the proof that I gave you, I have no proof :) Hilarious.
  - EugeneOZ 8y ago
    Because I asked you for examples of 100% pedestrian streets with sidewalks and you couldn't show any of them, only "ex non-pedestrian streets" and "temporary pedestrian", so yes, it only proves my point, thank you for it. La Rambla is not only for pedestrians, deal with it. So what about numbers of air pollution level? Any comments? Or you "feel" something else, what can't be described by numbers? Pretty sure you will try to ignore this part again, because you have nothing to say :)
    - alt_f4 8y ago
      > Because I asked you for examples of 100% pedestrian streets [you showed only] "ex non-pedestrian streets" These streets are 100% pedestrian. > So what about numbers of air pollution level? Any comments? Or you "feel" something else, what can't be described by numbers? Pretty sure you will try to ignore this part again, because you have nothing to say :) I have already commented on this in the rest of the thread. If you're interested, feel free to read that and also consider how diesel exhaust (NO2 / NOx) gets converted into other pollutants and that isn't accurately captured by the numbers you sent me. Whilst other pollutants tend to damage your lungs in a way that you can't immediately feel, diesel exhaust causes choking and feels like suffocation. And there's plenty of the latter in the streets of Barcelona - let's not pretend that inhaling exhaust from 15+ year old diesels is great for your health, that's pretty dumb. But I suspect that you aren't really interested in any of that and won't do any of the reading required to understand this point, that is why I didn't bother to type it up in the previous post.
      - EugeneOZ 8y ago
        > These streets are 100% pedestrian In some days, lol. My numbers are "wrong" but sources with "correct" numbers you can't find. So predictable. Just learn to admit when you are wrong.

by alt_f4 8y ago

EugeneOZ 8y ago

No way, terminology is what we are arguing about. Only examples you were able to find are either temporary pedestrian zones or roads without physical reconstruction. Sidewalks are to separate pedestrians from cars, it was my point, so do not try to move discussion. About your main complaint, air pollution (at the moment I write it): Barcelona, center - 17, Berlin - 38, London - 46. https://aqicn.org/city/spain/catalunya/barcelona-eixample/ https://aqicn.org/city/spain/catalunya/barcelona-eixample/ http://aqicn.org/city/germany/berlin/ http://aqicn.org/city/germany/berlin/ https://aqicn.org/city/london/ https://aqicn.org/city/london/

alt_f4 8y ago
> No way, terminology is what we are arguing about Not really, my original point was that it's stupid to have intense car traffic surrounding the pedestrian part of La Rambla. But either way, your terminology argument is completely invalid too, as demonstrated by the examples. > Only examples you were able to find are either temporary pedestrian zones or roads without physical reconstruction. So, to sum up, according to you, my argument is invalid because, excluding the proof that I gave you, I have no proof :) Hilarious.
- EugeneOZ 8y ago
  Because I asked you for examples of 100% pedestrian streets with sidewalks and you couldn't show any of them, only "ex non-pedestrian streets" and "temporary pedestrian", so yes, it only proves my point, thank you for it. La Rambla is not only for pedestrians, deal with it. So what about numbers of air pollution level? Any comments? Or you "feel" something else, what can't be described by numbers? Pretty sure you will try to ignore this part again, because you have nothing to say :)
  - alt_f4 8y ago
    > Because I asked you for examples of 100% pedestrian streets [you showed only] "ex non-pedestrian streets" These streets are 100% pedestrian. > So what about numbers of air pollution level? Any comments? Or you "feel" something else, what can't be described by numbers? Pretty sure you will try to ignore this part again, because you have nothing to say :) I have already commented on this in the rest of the thread. If you're interested, feel free to read that and also consider how diesel exhaust (NO2 / NOx) gets converted into other pollutants and that isn't accurately captured by the numbers you sent me. Whilst other pollutants tend to damage your lungs in a way that you can't immediately feel, diesel exhaust causes choking and feels like suffocation. And there's plenty of the latter in the streets of Barcelona - let's not pretend that inhaling exhaust from 15+ year old diesels is great for your health, that's pretty dumb. But I suspect that you aren't really interested in any of that and won't do any of the reading required to understand this point, that is why I didn't bother to type it up in the previous post.
    - EugeneOZ 8y ago
      > These streets are 100% pedestrian In some days, lol. My numbers are "wrong" but sources with "correct" numbers you can't find. So predictable. Just learn to admit when you are wrong.