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HA... Google is definitely doing Evil. I for one experienced personally when they invited my friend & I to discuss buying our app. They just wanted our secret

HA... Google is definitely doing Evil. I for one experienced personally when they invited my friend & I to discuss buying our app. They just wanted our secret sauce & after baiting us with promise of working together they us kicked us out and said the race is on. Now there was no guarantees we’d be working together but two guys with no connections is tricked by Google and told the race is on? Us vs. Google who later is granted patents for what we met them about. Now everyone says that’s just how Silicon Valley is...its expected. Hmmm things change!

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cromwellian 8y ago
Ah yes, the perennial story of the lone inventor or two, with a world changing invention, who has their idea stolen by a big company. Did it ever occur to you that the idea of syncing video or audio playback across devices or people is not a new idea and is continually reinvented? I've been on the net since '86, and every brilliant idea I had in secret, I was surprised to learn had been thought of by others too. The currency of the startup economy isn't ideas, it's execution. If a big company really valued a startup's tech, they'd acqui-hire for the inventors or the patents. Big companies generally want to hire people, not ideas.
- paul7986 8y ago
  Well your employer was granted patents for what we met them for and emphatically said to us the race is on. So your saying it held no value to your employer and they have every right to treat the little guy dreamer inventors who do not have the right connections like dogs? Also it wasn't nor isn't an idea rather algorithms we created in 2013 (have improved since) that just worked and work now... demo videos below... Turn audience & their devices into a stereo system https://vimeo.com/71647538 https://vimeo.com/71647538 Drive In Movie app(listen to movie's audio on your device) https://vimeo.com/93899424 https://vimeo.com/93899424
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
    I'm not aware of any Google product that has this functionality. What is preventing you from selling your apps?
    - paul7986 8y ago
      We are still around (improving our algorithms) and offer our tech to clients for various events. We all have full time jobs and families to sustain. We'd love to find those connections who sincerely want to guide us (are well connected) so our next big meeting with a FANNG or another tech company is a win for all! I believe if we went in the meeting well connected in the Valley things would have been different! Not treated like dogs!
- housingpost 8y ago
  Why do so many Googlers on HN have such unpleasant personalities? "Did it ever occur to you" that you make your employer look even more awful?
  - cromwellian 8y ago
    Isn't making accusations of theft and industrial espionage is unpleasant? This kind of accusation in the industry crops up time and time again and I don't think it should be accepted unchallenged, neither between small companies, or large ones. I've seen this claims so many times, people claiming some investors took their deck and gave it to their portfolio companies, people claiming another company copied them. The instances where this actually happens usually occurs when an already proven market product is copied (e.g. look at FB copying Snapchat recently), I've never seen it with a pre-success product. Think of it this way, if I had the idea for capacitive touch smart screen phone in 2004 and met with Apple, could I claim they stole the iPhone from me? There is so much more to an iPhone than just the 'idea'. Now, if you have some non-obvious algorithm, which if you asked a senior engineer to design, could not come up with it in a few weeks, my opinion would be different. Like if you invented a fundamental new type of homomorphic encryption, which, could be explained on a single page, but enables a fundamentally new type of distributed computing. There are indeed, some ideas which are very 'dense' in value purely by their description alone, but they're few and far between. In any case, online forums are rife with people making conspiratorial claims, in economics, in politics, everywhere, and I think a technical community like HN should demand a higher degree of evidence.
    - paul7986 8y ago
      Are you saying I was not pursued/invited and met with Motorola ATAP(Google had bought them in Jan 2013) now Google ATAP in April 2013? I am making this up? I made up this NDA I signed https://ryanspahn.com/motorola-google-Expired-NDA2013.pdf https://ryanspahn.com/motorola-google-Expired-NDA2013.pdf and this letter when Google absorbed ATAP https://ryanspahn.com/google.JPG https://ryanspahn.com/google.JPG . Ive got emails from the jerk who invited us out there .. who baited us then said here is the door and by the way the race is on..goodbye. I met with many others too ..like Samsung and that guy was an upstanding gentleman. Google was awful... treated us like dogs! I have no reason to lie only to tell my story to warn others and highlight that Google no longer follows it's motto "Don't be evil."

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cromwellian 8y ago

Ah yes, the perennial story of the lone inventor or two, with a world changing invention, who has their idea stolen by a big company. Did it ever occur to you that the idea of syncing video or audio playback across devices or people is not a new idea and is continually reinvented? I've been on the net since '86, and every brilliant idea I had in secret, I was surprised to learn had been thought of by others too. The currency of the startup economy isn't ideas, it's execution. If a big company really valued a startup's tech, they'd acqui-hire for the inventors or the patents. Big companies generally want to hire people, not ideas.

paul7986 8y ago
Well your employer was granted patents for what we met them for and emphatically said to us the race is on. So your saying it held no value to your employer and they have every right to treat the little guy dreamer inventors who do not have the right connections like dogs? Also it wasn't nor isn't an idea rather algorithms we created in 2013 (have improved since) that just worked and work now... demo videos below... Turn audience & their devices into a stereo system https://vimeo.com/71647538 https://vimeo.com/71647538 Drive In Movie app(listen to movie's audio on your device) https://vimeo.com/93899424 https://vimeo.com/93899424
- asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
  I'm not aware of any Google product that has this functionality. What is preventing you from selling your apps?
  - paul7986 8y ago
    We are still around (improving our algorithms) and offer our tech to clients for various events. We all have full time jobs and families to sustain. We'd love to find those connections who sincerely want to guide us (are well connected) so our next big meeting with a FANNG or another tech company is a win for all! I believe if we went in the meeting well connected in the Valley things would have been different! Not treated like dogs!
housingpost 8y ago
Why do so many Googlers on HN have such unpleasant personalities? "Did it ever occur to you" that you make your employer look even more awful?
- cromwellian 8y ago
  Isn't making accusations of theft and industrial espionage is unpleasant? This kind of accusation in the industry crops up time and time again and I don't think it should be accepted unchallenged, neither between small companies, or large ones. I've seen this claims so many times, people claiming some investors took their deck and gave it to their portfolio companies, people claiming another company copied them. The instances where this actually happens usually occurs when an already proven market product is copied (e.g. look at FB copying Snapchat recently), I've never seen it with a pre-success product. Think of it this way, if I had the idea for capacitive touch smart screen phone in 2004 and met with Apple, could I claim they stole the iPhone from me? There is so much more to an iPhone than just the 'idea'. Now, if you have some non-obvious algorithm, which if you asked a senior engineer to design, could not come up with it in a few weeks, my opinion would be different. Like if you invented a fundamental new type of homomorphic encryption, which, could be explained on a single page, but enables a fundamentally new type of distributed computing. There are indeed, some ideas which are very 'dense' in value purely by their description alone, but they're few and far between. In any case, online forums are rife with people making conspiratorial claims, in economics, in politics, everywhere, and I think a technical community like HN should demand a higher degree of evidence.
  - paul7986 8y ago
    Are you saying I was not pursued/invited and met with Motorola ATAP(Google had bought them in Jan 2013) now Google ATAP in April 2013? I am making this up? I made up this NDA I signed https://ryanspahn.com/motorola-google-Expired-NDA2013.pdf https://ryanspahn.com/motorola-google-Expired-NDA2013.pdf and this letter when Google absorbed ATAP https://ryanspahn.com/google.JPG https://ryanspahn.com/google.JPG . Ive got emails from the jerk who invited us out there .. who baited us then said here is the door and by the way the race is on..goodbye. I met with many others too ..like Samsung and that guy was an upstanding gentleman. Google was awful... treated us like dogs! I have no reason to lie only to tell my story to warn others and highlight that Google no longer follows it's motto "Don't be evil."