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Outside of the last and current tech bubble programming was never that valuable. And even then and now it's constrained to a few places and a few kinds of "prog

Outside of the last and current tech bubble programming was never that valuable. And even then and now it's constrained to a few places and a few kinds of "programmers". Nowadays crypto seems like the a space that could produce hypergrowth while being obvious and underappreciated at the same time.

gnulinux 8y ago
How is programming not that valuable when average programmer makes $150k in US and university students from top colleges with programming can find $100k jobs straight outta college? Being good at programming is almost a for-sure way to mid to high wealth nowadays.
- auganov 8y ago
  What's your source for the average of $150k? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the median is $82k [0]. Glassdoor seems to agree [1]. Plenty of jobs in the legal and medical profession command higher salaries and provide better job security. [0] https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/mobile/computer-programmers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/programmer-salary-SRCH_KO0,10.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/programmer-salary-SRCH_KO...
  - chefkoch 8y ago
    But none of these jobs are available for people without university degree.
  - gnulinux 8y ago
    It's tricky. You'll see different titles like "software engineer", "backend engineer", "fullstack developer", "systems engineer" etc... who are mostly just programmers, so it's not an objective classification.
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- andrei_says_ 8y ago
  Keep in mind that these high salaries are a permanent force behind businesses outsourcing programming extremely aggressively. the overall results are negative but the bean counters are very very happy.
gitgud 8y ago
> Nowadays crypto seems like the a space that could produce hypergrowth while being obvious and underappreciated at the same time. Well the skill you generically refer to as crypto involves a huge amount of programming and maths, unless you mean getting skilled at trading and promoting crypto.
- auganov 8y ago
  Yes, the dev side in the broadest sense. This space is really starving for tech talent. It's still relatively ignored by most techies (with no shortage of business types). Kind of like many seasoned programmers didn't want to work on web stuff a couple of years ago (more like 6-8 years ago I guess? time goes fast!). The promotional side is interesting too though. It seems like nowadays you can go pretty far (financially) by having a dedicated community.

gnulinux 8y ago

How is programming not that valuable when average programmer makes $150k in US and university students from top colleges with programming can find $100k jobs straight outta college? Being good at programming is almost a for-sure way to mid to high wealth nowadays.

auganov 8y ago
What's your source for the average of $150k? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the median is $82k [0]. Glassdoor seems to agree [1]. Plenty of jobs in the legal and medical profession command higher salaries and provide better job security. [0] https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/mobile/computer-programmers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/programmer-salary-SRCH_KO0,10.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/programmer-salary-SRCH_KO...
- chefkoch 8y ago
  But none of these jobs are available for people without university degree.
- gnulinux 8y ago
  It's tricky. You'll see different titles like "software engineer", "backend engineer", "fullstack developer", "systems engineer" etc... who are mostly just programmers, so it's not an objective classification.
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andrei_says_ 8y ago
Keep in mind that these high salaries are a permanent force behind businesses outsourcing programming extremely aggressively. the overall results are negative but the bean counters are very very happy.

gitgud 8y ago

> Nowadays crypto seems like the a space that could produce hypergrowth while being obvious and underappreciated at the same time. Well the skill you generically refer to as crypto involves a huge amount of programming and maths, unless you mean getting skilled at trading and promoting crypto.

auganov 8y ago
Yes, the dev side in the broadest sense. This space is really starving for tech talent. It's still relatively ignored by most techies (with no shortage of business types). Kind of like many seasoned programmers didn't want to work on web stuff a couple of years ago (more like 6-8 years ago I guess? time goes fast!). The promotional side is interesting too though. It seems like nowadays you can go pretty far (financially) by having a dedicated community.