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Most people don't care about money, they want to raise family in a safe environment, I interview a lot of foreigners and there is clear trend that they don't wa

by Thaxll 8y ago

Most people don't care about money, they want to raise family in a safe environment, I interview a lot of foreigners and there is clear trend that they don't want to go to the US with the current administration.

dghughes 8y ago
We have our problems here in Canada mainly Alberta and Quebec for different reasons. Alberta thinks it's Texas with rednecks in 4x4s, anti-immigrant even anti-Canadian sentiment. Quebec just had a provincial election where it voted in a right leaning provincial government, it's first order ban all religious symbols in public service departments but probably not Christian crosses, (le wink?). Mainly since there is one behind the speaker of the house in their main government assembly, see pic link below. The "pure laine" (pure wool) types who voted them in are akin to white supremacists. Actually Ontario too with Doug aka "Drug" Ford I think he's worse than Trump. His first order was to gut the Toronto City Council which he used to be part of, payback? His second super urgent task was to lower the price of beer. Pander to the great unwashed minions. All of those groups above are similar values: vehemently anti-immigrant, pro-white, pro-gun, anti-media, anti-judiciary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_of_Quebec#/media/File:Salle_Assemblee_nationale_Quebec.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_of_Quebec#/m...
- ashwinaj 8y ago
  Thanks for posting this. It seems to me that everyone is looking for a way out of a difficult circumstance and see Canada as some sort of a paradise. I grew up in the Middle East, the labor laws there are much worse than the US; so I'm personally not worried. If I have to leave, I will.
- f6e9ed793b 8y ago
  Don't forget Toronto's crack-smoking mayor Rob Ford. Stephen Harper's government was extremely "conservative" (corrupt and anti-science). I have lived in both Alberta and Quebec. The casual, open, and brutal racism against Native Americans in both provinces is disgusting and makes any anti-immigrant sentiments seem tame in comparison.
- dblohm7 8y ago
  Lifelong Albertan here, sans a 5 year stint in Ontario for uni. Stop shitting on a place that you clearly haven't spent any time in.
- dang 8y ago
  Regional slurs aren't welcome here, including internecine ones like this. Please don't post like this to HN again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
martin_iden 8y ago
That sounds great, I welcome less competition on the job market. Btw I've lived in Toronto before, have a family there and know the tech scene pretty well. If people didn't care about money and job satisfaction, you would not have that many Canadians here in SV. Most of the ones I talked too would like to go back at one point, but career prospects are very bleak. One would need to take a massive paycut and face fierce competition for a few available jobs out there. I know decent engineers making 70-90K which is essentially living paycheck to paycheck.
- AzzieElbab 8y ago
  That's very much true. The only way to survive in Toronto is through consulting for fintech. From engineer's point of view those are mostly jobs from hell
- Consultant32452 8y ago
  Just to provide context to that 70-90k range, median household income in Toronto is $78k. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Median_household_income_of_cities_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Median_household_incom...
- sumedh 8y ago
  > you would not have that many Canadians here in SV. You are talking about Canadian citizens not immigrants who want to live in a developed country.
toomuchtodo 8y ago
Are the countries these workers coming from so much more unsafe than the US or Canada? Otherwise, I think people do care about the money (as they should!).
- deleted 8y ago
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- untog 8y ago
  It's very likely that pay in Canada is a lot higher than many people's home countries (e.g. India). So it's more a calculation of "high pay + security + life benefits" in Canada and "even higher pay but nothing else" in the US. Canada makes a lot of sense. A lot of these people aren't just economic migrants, they are looking to settle down and start new lives. No immigrant in their right mind would do that in the US right now (if they have a viable alternative).
- gopalv 8y ago
  > Are the countries these workers coming from so much more unsafe than the US or Canada? Perhaps - but other than gun violence, if I went back home several things would be unsafe. Money can buy a lot of things, but it takes more money to buy a first world lifestyle in India than it takes to do it in Canada (or even the US, as surprising as it sounds). Buying clean smoke free air and water you can drink out of the tap might not feel like luxuries, but that's priced in here (& even there, this is by no means perfect - see Flint). And at least, I've yet to be stopped by a cop who wanted a bribe.
dominotw 8y ago
> Most people don't care about money, This is BS. Most ppl care about money above all else. India is a not a war zone its a "safe environment to raise family". > I interview a lot of foreigners and there is clear trend that they don't want to go to the US with the current administration. Why are you interviewing them then? Are you in Canada?
- sh87 8y ago
  After a certain point, more money takes lower priority than other aspects like life goals, hobbies, family, environment, etc.

by Thaxll 8y ago

dghughes 8y ago

We have our problems here in Canada mainly Alberta and Quebec for different reasons. Alberta thinks it's Texas with rednecks in 4x4s, anti-immigrant even anti-Canadian sentiment. Quebec just had a provincial election where it voted in a right leaning provincial government, it's first order ban all religious symbols in public service departments but probably not Christian crosses, (le wink?). Mainly since there is one behind the speaker of the house in their main government assembly, see pic link below. The "pure laine" (pure wool) types who voted them in are akin to white supremacists. Actually Ontario too with Doug aka "Drug" Ford I think he's worse than Trump. His first order was to gut the Toronto City Council which he used to be part of, payback? His second super urgent task was to lower the price of beer. Pander to the great unwashed minions. All of those groups above are similar values: vehemently anti-immigrant, pro-white, pro-gun, anti-media, anti-judiciary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_of_Quebec#/media/File:Salle_Assemblee_nationale_Quebec.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_of_Quebec#/m...

ashwinaj 8y ago
Thanks for posting this. It seems to me that everyone is looking for a way out of a difficult circumstance and see Canada as some sort of a paradise. I grew up in the Middle East, the labor laws there are much worse than the US; so I'm personally not worried. If I have to leave, I will.
f6e9ed793b 8y ago
Don't forget Toronto's crack-smoking mayor Rob Ford. Stephen Harper's government was extremely "conservative" (corrupt and anti-science). I have lived in both Alberta and Quebec. The casual, open, and brutal racism against Native Americans in both provinces is disgusting and makes any anti-immigrant sentiments seem tame in comparison.
dblohm7 8y ago
Lifelong Albertan here, sans a 5 year stint in Ontario for uni. Stop shitting on a place that you clearly haven't spent any time in.
dang 8y ago
Regional slurs aren't welcome here, including internecine ones like this. Please don't post like this to HN again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

martin_iden 8y ago

That sounds great, I welcome less competition on the job market. Btw I've lived in Toronto before, have a family there and know the tech scene pretty well. If people didn't care about money and job satisfaction, you would not have that many Canadians here in SV. Most of the ones I talked too would like to go back at one point, but career prospects are very bleak. One would need to take a massive paycut and face fierce competition for a few available jobs out there. I know decent engineers making 70-90K which is essentially living paycheck to paycheck.

AzzieElbab 8y ago
That's very much true. The only way to survive in Toronto is through consulting for fintech. From engineer's point of view those are mostly jobs from hell
Consultant32452 8y ago
Just to provide context to that 70-90k range, median household income in Toronto is $78k. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Median_household_income_of_cities_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Median_household_incom...
sumedh 8y ago
> you would not have that many Canadians here in SV. You are talking about Canadian citizens not immigrants who want to live in a developed country.

toomuchtodo 8y ago

Are the countries these workers coming from so much more unsafe than the US or Canada? Otherwise, I think people do care about the money (as they should!).

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untog 8y ago
It's very likely that pay in Canada is a lot higher than many people's home countries (e.g. India). So it's more a calculation of "high pay + security + life benefits" in Canada and "even higher pay but nothing else" in the US. Canada makes a lot of sense. A lot of these people aren't just economic migrants, they are looking to settle down and start new lives. No immigrant in their right mind would do that in the US right now (if they have a viable alternative).
gopalv 8y ago
> Are the countries these workers coming from so much more unsafe than the US or Canada? Perhaps - but other than gun violence, if I went back home several things would be unsafe. Money can buy a lot of things, but it takes more money to buy a first world lifestyle in India than it takes to do it in Canada (or even the US, as surprising as it sounds). Buying clean smoke free air and water you can drink out of the tap might not feel like luxuries, but that's priced in here (& even there, this is by no means perfect - see Flint). And at least, I've yet to be stopped by a cop who wanted a bribe.

dominotw 8y ago

> Most people don't care about money, This is BS. Most ppl care about money above all else. India is a not a war zone its a "safe environment to raise family". > I interview a lot of foreigners and there is clear trend that they don't want to go to the US with the current administration. Why are you interviewing them then? Are you in Canada?

sh87 8y ago
After a certain point, more money takes lower priority than other aspects like life goals, hobbies, family, environment, etc.