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Speaking of which, time for a new gaming rig... I had the same thought coming into this thread-what a great time to be in the market for a new machine. I welco

Speaking of which, time for a new gaming rig... I had the same thought coming into this thread-what a great time to be in the market for a new machine. I welcome this competition, I want AMD to get better in the CPU game, but will gladly scavenge the spoils of this.

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mey 8y ago
How do you want them to get better? Single core freq at the top end is the only advantage I believe Intel has at this point. AMD is cheaper, more IO, more cores at roughly equivalent speeds. If you are building a 10k gaming rig, I understand, but in general I don't see why you wouldn't go with AMD unless you need it to be have a better TDP. To that point, I expect Intel to continue to rule the laptop market. Edit: clarified that I don't see Intel not ruling laptop market.
- piyh 8y ago
  They could look to beat the i5-8400 in gaming perf. Don't really care though since gaming is an afterthought for the ryzen/threadripper plan to own the server market.
  - gamedevs_cancer 8y ago
    Gaming is the only space where intel is has an advantage over ryzen. It's better or as good in the rest of the workflows already
- mrec 8y ago
  What's holding AMD back on TDP? I'm in the market for a new PC fairly soon - probably SFF desktop rather than laptop, but I'd still prefer to keep fan noise, heat and electricity usage down.
  - gamedevs_cancer 8y ago
    TDP is quite high on ryzen chips, and they auto overclock. The 2nd gen will go as high as it can with safe voltages, provided thermals and power are in check
    - mrec 8y ago
      I understand that it's high, I'm asking why. Are they not interested in the laptop market? Does Intel have some secret sauce they can't replicate?
      - theandrewbailey 8y ago
        Likely. AMD uses Global Foundries to fab their CPUs. GF's fabs aren't as advanced as Intels, and ramping up clocks (thus more TDP) is the only way AMD can stay competitive on single thread performance.
      - mey 8y ago
        Bigger transistors and more cores. https://youtu.be/ucMQermB9wQ https://youtu.be/ucMQermB9wQ describes this in more detail.

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mey 8y ago

How do you want them to get better? Single core freq at the top end is the only advantage I believe Intel has at this point. AMD is cheaper, more IO, more cores at roughly equivalent speeds. If you are building a 10k gaming rig, I understand, but in general I don't see why you wouldn't go with AMD unless you need it to be have a better TDP. To that point, I expect Intel to continue to rule the laptop market. Edit: clarified that I don't see Intel not ruling laptop market.

piyh 8y ago
They could look to beat the i5-8400 in gaming perf. Don't really care though since gaming is an afterthought for the ryzen/threadripper plan to own the server market.
- gamedevs_cancer 8y ago
  Gaming is the only space where intel is has an advantage over ryzen. It's better or as good in the rest of the workflows already
mrec 8y ago
What's holding AMD back on TDP? I'm in the market for a new PC fairly soon - probably SFF desktop rather than laptop, but I'd still prefer to keep fan noise, heat and electricity usage down.
- gamedevs_cancer 8y ago
  TDP is quite high on ryzen chips, and they auto overclock. The 2nd gen will go as high as it can with safe voltages, provided thermals and power are in check
  - mrec 8y ago
    I understand that it's high, I'm asking why. Are they not interested in the laptop market? Does Intel have some secret sauce they can't replicate?
    - theandrewbailey 8y ago
      Likely. AMD uses Global Foundries to fab their CPUs. GF's fabs aren't as advanced as Intels, and ramping up clocks (thus more TDP) is the only way AMD can stay competitive on single thread performance.
    - mey 8y ago
      Bigger transistors and more cores. https://youtu.be/ucMQermB9wQ https://youtu.be/ucMQermB9wQ describes this in more detail.