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They're also comparing them to "top 50 vehicles since 2011." Since they don't list which specific vehicles and years that includes, it is hard to draw any conc

They're also comparing them to "top 50 vehicles since 2011." Since they don't list which specific vehicles and years that includes, it is hard to draw any conclusions but it is odd contrasting vehicles which are up to seven years old. I cannot even locate "Lowest Probability of injury" on NHTSA's site. So I'm not sure what the percentage are referring to. Can someone point me towards it? PS - I don't doubt the Model 3 is a very safe vehicle. My post is about the way Tesla is conveying that information and what information they're conveying.

hef19898 8y ago
Same hear, I tried to get at least some official ranking of results by model and year, if not the raw data, and didn't find anything. Maybe that's non-public, which wouldn't make sense. But as it stands it is hard to recreatw the ranking Tesla is using and to verify the numbers. Without sources, and a scetchy presentation, it is just a markwting statement from one manufacturer. So no different to everybody else out there. Cherry picking numbers and setting context alsways works.
SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
> it is odd contrasting vehicles which are up to seven years old. How so? Some of the top 50 safest cars are seven years old, hence they appear on the chart.
- cptskippy 8y ago
  Exactly. That's like saying the Saturn 5 shouldn't be on the list of most powerful rockets because it's 50+ years old. If a 7 year old car is still one of the top 50 safest cars on the road then you should either be applauding whomever made that car or condemning whomever ranked beneath it. Not questioning why it's on the list.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  It didn't say the top 50 SAFEST cars, it say the "top 50 cars." Totally different things.
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    Exactly. There have been a lot of subcompact tin cans sold in the past 7yr
cptskippy 8y ago
Specific models aren't really relevant in the comparison are they? The title of the blog says it all. > Model 3 achieves the lowest probability of injury of any vehicle ever tested by NHTSA Which makes and models are they comparing? All of them. They aren't telling you who ranked 4th or 7th or 23rd because it doesn't matter. The graphs are just there to give you a basis for comparison.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  > The graphs are just there to give you a basis for comparison. Which is far more relevant if they're comparing against well performing 2018 models relative to vehicles from seven years ago. Why include the graph at all if it has nothing to say?
  - cptskippy 8y ago
    They're not comparing 2018 models to 2011 models. They're comparing their cars to the safest cars in the last 7 years. You're assuming incorrectly that a newer model vehicle will always be safer than an older vehicle. The graph they're showing is: > SELECT TOP 50 * > FROM [carSafetyList] AS c > WHERE c.ModelYear >= 2011 > ORDER BY c.SafetyRating The other makes and models aren't relevant because Tesla has asserted that their cars are safer than any other vehicle tested in the last 7 years. If they're being truthful then that means you can pick any car the NHTSA has tested in the last 7 years and it will rank no higher than 4th on their graph. Would the knowledge that that a Volvo XC90 ranked 4th or 5th change anything? No, therefore why identify any other model?
    - Someone1234 8y ago
      > They're comparing their cars to the safest cars in the last 7 years. They said the "top 50 vehicles." They didn't say the top 50 safest vehicles. > The other makes and models aren't relevant because Tesla has asserted that their cars are safer than any other vehicle tested in the last 7 years. We're meant to take Tesla asserting something, and not backing it up with facts as gospel? We literally don't even know what the source of those percentages are, for all we know Tesla created them.

hef19898 8y ago

Same hear, I tried to get at least some official ranking of results by model and year, if not the raw data, and didn't find anything. Maybe that's non-public, which wouldn't make sense. But as it stands it is hard to recreatw the ranking Tesla is using and to verify the numbers. Without sources, and a scetchy presentation, it is just a markwting statement from one manufacturer. So no different to everybody else out there. Cherry picking numbers and setting context alsways works.

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago

> it is odd contrasting vehicles which are up to seven years old. How so? Some of the top 50 safest cars are seven years old, hence they appear on the chart.

cptskippy 8y ago
Exactly. That's like saying the Saturn 5 shouldn't be on the list of most powerful rockets because it's 50+ years old. If a 7 year old car is still one of the top 50 safest cars on the road then you should either be applauding whomever made that car or condemning whomever ranked beneath it. Not questioning why it's on the list.
Someone1234 8y ago
It didn't say the top 50 SAFEST cars, it say the "top 50 cars." Totally different things.
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  Exactly. There have been a lot of subcompact tin cans sold in the past 7yr

cptskippy 8y ago

Specific models aren't really relevant in the comparison are they? The title of the blog says it all. > Model 3 achieves the lowest probability of injury of any vehicle ever tested by NHTSA Which makes and models are they comparing? All of them. They aren't telling you who ranked 4th or 7th or 23rd because it doesn't matter. The graphs are just there to give you a basis for comparison.

Someone1234 8y ago
> The graphs are just there to give you a basis for comparison. Which is far more relevant if they're comparing against well performing 2018 models relative to vehicles from seven years ago. Why include the graph at all if it has nothing to say?
- cptskippy 8y ago
  They're not comparing 2018 models to 2011 models. They're comparing their cars to the safest cars in the last 7 years. You're assuming incorrectly that a newer model vehicle will always be safer than an older vehicle. The graph they're showing is: > SELECT TOP 50 * > FROM [carSafetyList] AS c > WHERE c.ModelYear >= 2011 > ORDER BY c.SafetyRating The other makes and models aren't relevant because Tesla has asserted that their cars are safer than any other vehicle tested in the last 7 years. If they're being truthful then that means you can pick any car the NHTSA has tested in the last 7 years and it will rank no higher than 4th on their graph. Would the knowledge that that a Volvo XC90 ranked 4th or 5th change anything? No, therefore why identify any other model?
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    > They're comparing their cars to the safest cars in the last 7 years. They said the "top 50 vehicles." They didn't say the top 50 safest vehicles. > The other makes and models aren't relevant because Tesla has asserted that their cars are safer than any other vehicle tested in the last 7 years. We're meant to take Tesla asserting something, and not backing it up with facts as gospel? We literally don't even know what the source of those percentages are, for all we know Tesla created them.