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American cops are cowards of the highest degree. They can't even subdue a naked man in a bathtub without tasers? I mean such cowardice deserves a medal and much

by mnm1 8y ago

American cops are cowards of the highest degree. They can't even subdue a naked man in a bathtub without tasers? I mean such cowardice deserves a medal and much more offensive terminology I'm going to refrain from here. Instead they murder an innocent man and when held accountable use the bullshit excuse that they were trying to help. How fucking disgusting. The neighbor who called the cops also deserves blame. He lives in America and should have known that calling the police in any situation is likely to make it worse. But ultimately it's these officers who know nothing about helping others that murdered him for no reason other than that's what they are trained to do. I guess we're still far, far away from holding such cowardly scum responsible for their actions. Maybe one day we'll care enough about our own citizens to police our police and hold them to higher standards than everyone else rather than lower. I'm not holding my breath for it though. In many ways they are a symptom of our hateful society.

m_mueller 8y ago
One more thing is the reason why the neighbor called the cops. Oh no, a naked man! Babbling nonsense! Help, I'm victimized, someone help! That reminds me of one of the few times I was in the US, in my undies in my motel room, minding my business. I guess the blinds were still open, only covered with a white curtain, and some middle aged woman must have seen me. Immediately called hotel security on me. People in the US are obsessed with seing anything naked it seems.
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  This. For every stupid situation made worse by a cop there was some self-righteous jerk that called them there. That said, these are rich people problems. The cops don't have the resources to spend responding to bullshit in non-rich communities and even if you call on a slow day they still don't want to set a precedent of responding to bullshit.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    Of course, as always "the rich" are the real enemy here. Somehow.
- 2muchcoffeeman 8y ago
  One more thing is the reason why the neighbor called the cops. Oh no, a naked man! Babbling nonsense! Help, I'm victimized, someone help! The article doesn't say that the neighbour felt victimised. If I had a mentally ill neighbour that started walking around naked and talking about the devil, I'd call the police too. They are probably trained in first aid or CPR and methods to de-escalate any situations. It's a reasonable way to get help in a situation you may not be trained to deal with. Except in America.
  - m_mueller 8y ago
    > Except in America. That's the thing, something in the US doesn't square. Either you have the police being first responders and focused on deescalation and help, or you have some other agency responsible for such calls where violence has absolutely no place as a solution.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      In my country, if a situation needs a calm de-escalation by professionals, we call the police. If someone needs shooting, we call the police. Somehow they manage both roles just fine.
      - m_mueller 8y ago
        That was my point, I think police in general is focused on de-escalation and helping people who are in a dangerous situation. The whole point is to keep things calm and orderly through perceived safety. In the US the order through fear aspect seems a lot stronger.
- jhauris 8y ago
  To be fair, if you see someone wandering naked and confused outside their home they probably need help. Some well-meaning people may call a non-emergency line to get that person help, rather than out of fear.
- ggreer 8y ago
  A crazy naked person is definitely worth calling the cops over. I actually did this a couple years ago. I was in West Oakland and my next door neighbor was outside one morning, babbling (and occasionally yelling) about Jesus. I went out and asked him to go inside. He yelled, "Oh my God you're Jesus... ", continued babbling, jumped on top of a car, and started trying to rip the windshield wipers off. I asked him to go inside again and he pulled his pants down and started doing the helicopter. At that point, I called the cops. They showed up in about a minute and wrestled him to the ground. He fought back like crazy, trying to bite and spit. They got him cuffed after about 20 seconds. Then EMTs showed up, injected him with what I assume was haldol, and took him away. He was held for psych eval for three days. When he came back, he behaved totally fine. The news doesn't report stories like that, where things go right. You'll only hear about the controversial cases where cops totally fuck up, either due to malice or incompetence. But almost every time, things go right.
lovehashbrowns 8y ago
The biggest issue is the American public that fetishizes this job so much. A lot of people have such an erection for "TOUGH ON CRIME" policies, and they'll just let cops get away with whatever they want. People are really gullible, too. So any time a cop murders a defenseless and un-armed American citizen, the news and the police will start to throw out propaganda that will make the victim look bad. "The victim was in a gang--look at them throwing up a gang sign on an old Facebook picture they posted! They were wearing a hoodie, at 2am! They had a criminal past!" As if any of that justifies the murder of a person by a shitty and violent police officer. It's completely enraging, but there's not much to be done about it while "TOUGH ON CRIME" idiots continue to vote and the politicians that are voted in continue to empower their armed lap dogs.

by mnm1 8y ago

m_mueller 8y ago

One more thing is the reason why the neighbor called the cops. Oh no, a naked man! Babbling nonsense! Help, I'm victimized, someone help! That reminds me of one of the few times I was in the US, in my undies in my motel room, minding my business. I guess the blinds were still open, only covered with a white curtain, and some middle aged woman must have seen me. Immediately called hotel security on me. People in the US are obsessed with seing anything naked it seems.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
This. For every stupid situation made worse by a cop there was some self-righteous jerk that called them there. That said, these are rich people problems. The cops don't have the resources to spend responding to bullshit in non-rich communities and even if you call on a slow day they still don't want to set a precedent of responding to bullshit.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  Of course, as always "the rich" are the real enemy here. Somehow.
2muchcoffeeman 8y ago
One more thing is the reason why the neighbor called the cops. Oh no, a naked man! Babbling nonsense! Help, I'm victimized, someone help! The article doesn't say that the neighbour felt victimised. If I had a mentally ill neighbour that started walking around naked and talking about the devil, I'd call the police too. They are probably trained in first aid or CPR and methods to de-escalate any situations. It's a reasonable way to get help in a situation you may not be trained to deal with. Except in America.
- m_mueller 8y ago
  > Except in America. That's the thing, something in the US doesn't square. Either you have the police being first responders and focused on deescalation and help, or you have some other agency responsible for such calls where violence has absolutely no place as a solution.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    In my country, if a situation needs a calm de-escalation by professionals, we call the police. If someone needs shooting, we call the police. Somehow they manage both roles just fine.
    - m_mueller 8y ago
      That was my point, I think police in general is focused on de-escalation and helping people who are in a dangerous situation. The whole point is to keep things calm and orderly through perceived safety. In the US the order through fear aspect seems a lot stronger.
jhauris 8y ago
To be fair, if you see someone wandering naked and confused outside their home they probably need help. Some well-meaning people may call a non-emergency line to get that person help, rather than out of fear.
ggreer 8y ago
A crazy naked person is definitely worth calling the cops over. I actually did this a couple years ago. I was in West Oakland and my next door neighbor was outside one morning, babbling (and occasionally yelling) about Jesus. I went out and asked him to go inside. He yelled, "Oh my God you're Jesus... ", continued babbling, jumped on top of a car, and started trying to rip the windshield wipers off. I asked him to go inside again and he pulled his pants down and started doing the helicopter. At that point, I called the cops. They showed up in about a minute and wrestled him to the ground. He fought back like crazy, trying to bite and spit. They got him cuffed after about 20 seconds. Then EMTs showed up, injected him with what I assume was haldol, and took him away. He was held for psych eval for three days. When he came back, he behaved totally fine. The news doesn't report stories like that, where things go right. You'll only hear about the controversial cases where cops totally fuck up, either due to malice or incompetence. But almost every time, things go right.

lovehashbrowns 8y ago

The biggest issue is the American public that fetishizes this job so much. A lot of people have such an erection for "TOUGH ON CRIME" policies, and they'll just let cops get away with whatever they want. People are really gullible, too. So any time a cop murders a defenseless and un-armed American citizen, the news and the police will start to throw out propaganda that will make the victim look bad. "The victim was in a gang--look at them throwing up a gang sign on an old Facebook picture they posted! They were wearing a hoodie, at 2am! They had a criminal past!" As if any of that justifies the murder of a person by a shitty and violent police officer. It's completely enraging, but there's not much to be done about it while "TOUGH ON CRIME" idiots continue to vote and the politicians that are voted in continue to empower their armed lap dogs.