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> She says both they and the law enforcement community have made the case that Ethan would still be alive if he had just followed instructions. > But therein i

> She says both they and the law enforcement community have made the case that Ethan would still be alive if he had just followed instructions. > But therein is precisely the problem - his ability to follow instructions. Ethan, like Adam, did not have this ability. I find it disturbing that in the US, in practice, penalty for failing to comply with officer instructions during an arrest is a legally enforced death sentence. This seems a recurring theme in this kind of stories.

zawerf 8y ago
Especially horrifying when they tell you they will shoot you anyway if you fail to comply with contradictory instructions, like in the case of Daniel Shaver. Even without any disabilities, you can't survive those encounters without being a pro at Simon Says. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/08/graphic-video-shows-daniel-shaver-sobbing-and-begging-officer-for-his-life-before-2016-shooting/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/0...
- bb101 8y ago
  > If you make a mistake, another mistake, there is a very severe possibility that you’re both going to get shot. Do you understand?” Sgt. Charles Langley yells before telling Shaver to “shut up.” > “If you move, we’re going to consider that a threat and we are going to deal with it and you may not survive it,” Langley says. > “You do that again, we’re shooting you, do you understand?” Langley yells. > “Please do not shoot me,” Shaver begs, his hands up straight in the air. > At the officer’s command, Shaver then crawls down the hallway, sobbing. At one point, he reaches back — possibly to pull up his shorts — and Brailsford opens fire, striking Shaver five times. > According to the police report, Brailsford was carrying an AR-15 rifle with the phrase “You’re F—ed” etched into the weapon. The police report also said the “shots were fired so rapidly that in watching the video at regular speed, one cannot count them.” So a bully psychologically tortures his victim, kills him and in the end, is acquitted of murder... The mind boggles.
  - gammateam 8y ago
    one officer was yelling directions, the other officer shot him the officer yelling directions was prosecuted, and that obviously failed because he was not the one shooting not sure how to prosecute that, or what procedures in Arizona are available
    - 08-15 8y ago
      So they were in collusion and should both be prosecuted. If there was a will to prosecute feral police officers, there would be no practical difficulty.
- bootsz 8y ago
  Wow.
- pitay 8y ago
  Holy shit, that guys a psychopath. That really gives you a picture, he was acquitted as well. Tells you everything really, it is undoubtable that the legal system is utterly corrupt, at least in this instance. It reminds me of another incident recently where someone was swatted. As far as I remember the person was sitting on his balcony smoking a cigarette when when police decided to shoot him from across the road. Here is the video, it contains the call itself to keep context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0l6kwbglA4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0l6kwbglA4 . You could say they had a little more justification in this one, but is well, horrible.
sublupo 8y ago
There are a lot of problems with the police on the US, but what you are saying is too extreme. Let's say that someone is robbing a store, committing arson or raping someone. A police officer catches them and then the criminal runs away. Naturally the police for first shout "Stop". But, if the criminal continues to run what should the police officer do? They could chase after the criminal but let's say that the criminal is faster or knows the area better. Do you think that the police officer should let the rapist escape? IMO the goal of the police is to stop criminals using the minimum force needed. But, if required, the police should be able to use their gun.

zawerf 8y ago

Especially horrifying when they tell you they will shoot you anyway if you fail to comply with contradictory instructions, like in the case of Daniel Shaver. Even without any disabilities, you can't survive those encounters without being a pro at Simon Says. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/08/graphic-video-shows-daniel-shaver-sobbing-and-begging-officer-for-his-life-before-2016-shooting/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/0...

bb101 8y ago
> If you make a mistake, another mistake, there is a very severe possibility that you’re both going to get shot. Do you understand?” Sgt. Charles Langley yells before telling Shaver to “shut up.” > “If you move, we’re going to consider that a threat and we are going to deal with it and you may not survive it,” Langley says. > “You do that again, we’re shooting you, do you understand?” Langley yells. > “Please do not shoot me,” Shaver begs, his hands up straight in the air. > At the officer’s command, Shaver then crawls down the hallway, sobbing. At one point, he reaches back — possibly to pull up his shorts — and Brailsford opens fire, striking Shaver five times. > According to the police report, Brailsford was carrying an AR-15 rifle with the phrase “You’re F—ed” etched into the weapon. The police report also said the “shots were fired so rapidly that in watching the video at regular speed, one cannot count them.” So a bully psychologically tortures his victim, kills him and in the end, is acquitted of murder... The mind boggles.
- gammateam 8y ago
  one officer was yelling directions, the other officer shot him the officer yelling directions was prosecuted, and that obviously failed because he was not the one shooting not sure how to prosecute that, or what procedures in Arizona are available
  - 08-15 8y ago
    So they were in collusion and should both be prosecuted. If there was a will to prosecute feral police officers, there would be no practical difficulty.
bootsz 8y ago
Wow.
pitay 8y ago
Holy shit, that guys a psychopath. That really gives you a picture, he was acquitted as well. Tells you everything really, it is undoubtable that the legal system is utterly corrupt, at least in this instance. It reminds me of another incident recently where someone was swatted. As far as I remember the person was sitting on his balcony smoking a cigarette when when police decided to shoot him from across the road. Here is the video, it contains the call itself to keep context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0l6kwbglA4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0l6kwbglA4 . You could say they had a little more justification in this one, but is well, horrible.

sublupo 8y ago

There are a lot of problems with the police on the US, but what you are saying is too extreme. Let's say that someone is robbing a store, committing arson or raping someone. A police officer catches them and then the criminal runs away. Naturally the police for first shout "Stop". But, if the criminal continues to run what should the police officer do? They could chase after the criminal but let's say that the criminal is faster or knows the area better. Do you think that the police officer should let the rapist escape? IMO the goal of the police is to stop criminals using the minimum force needed. But, if required, the police should be able to use their gun.