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Interesting. I don't think Apple world make a sworn statement to Congress if they weren't absolutely sure it was true. Look like I may have been wrong--perhaps

Interesting. I don't think Apple world make a sworn statement to Congress if they weren't absolutely sure it was true. Look like I may have been wrong--perhaps this was a false story planted by certain US officials to slander China. Did Bloomberg get played?

lolc 8y ago
I don't think it was a sworn statement by Apple officials. Just a letter.
qaq 8y ago
Again the only thing they said that they have not uncovered any sings of hacking based on whatever endpoint and other security systems they have in place. No vendor has ever claimed they can can detect 100% best solutions can detect 98-99% given the number of exploits this depending on operating system means from many thousands to millions of exploits that will not be detected.
- cmiles74 8y ago
  Apple has been pretty clear in their statements and it's a given that they can't detect 100% of outgoing malicious data from their network. But they are denying much more: the servers with the altered boards entering their supply chain, Apple's rapid removal and replacement of all those servers, and so on.
  - qaq 8y ago
    "Stathakopoulos repeated Apple’s statements to the press that it never found malicious chips or vulnerabilities purposely planted in any server or been contacted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) about such concerns. He said he would be available to brief Congressional staff on the issue this week." I have not seen "they are denying much more: the servers with the altered boards entering their supply chain". All statements I've read are worded very carefully.
    - cmiles74 8y ago
      I am not trying to pick a fight, but Apple's statement says... * They never found mailicious chips planted on any server * They never found a vulnerability planted on any server * They were never contacted by the FBI about malicious chips or vulnerabilities * They are willing to state this before congress In my opinion, this disagrees with the biggest pieces of the Bloomberg piece. Does the word "purposefully" really negate Apple's statement? It could be a matter of opinion, my opinion is that it does not. That they are willing to talk to Congress, to my mind, speaks to how far they are willing to go on this. IMHO, if they were under some kind of gag order they wouldn't be pushing this hard.
      - qaq 8y ago
        "They never found malicious chips planted on any server" this literally means they have never found chips planted on any server. They did not say we have conducted review of 100% of servers or anything else related to the scope or types of checking they have done. Again everything is worded very carefully. Same for every other statement you posted. If you pay attention to DHS statement they again worded it very carefully they have never stated that DHS never found any evidence they only said that Apple never did.
pergadad 8y ago
Could a national security gag order even cover a sworn statement to Congress?
- 21 8y ago
  More likely they told Congress the truth, but the Congress is also under a national security gag and they put out a false statement about what Apple declared... Guys, you are worse than the ZeroHedge and similar conspiracy forums...
  - qubax 8y ago
    > More likely they told Congress the truth, but the Congress is also under a national security gag and they put out a false statement about what Apple declared... So the secret is so important that congress is under a gag order. The two highly valued companies in the US ( Apple and AMZN ) has a gag order. But litle old bloomberg doesn't have a gag order. Isn't that a bit unbelievable? > Guys, you are worse than the ZeroHedge and similar conspiracy forums... Doesn't this apply to bloomberg and the media as well? The entire country is immersed in conspiracy. Not sure why you are attacking HN and zerohedge in particular. What's with the sudden attack on social media with attacks like "conspiracy"? What do you expect of us? The discussion has to involve conspiracies because the story deals with conspiracy. Either bloomberg is right and the chinese ( or possibly other actors ) are involved in a conspiracy to spy on us in ingenious ways. Or bloomberg is wrong and they are involved in a conspiracy ( knowingly or not ) to spread disinformation. Or it could be a misunderstanding.
    - kerng 8y ago
      Free press?
simion314 8y ago
Didn't some other USA official lied the congress?
- akerro 8y ago
  Never happened.
- jake_the_third 8y ago
  Not wittingly.
  - mtgx 8y ago
    Yeah, right.
coolspot 8y ago
Apple has 123,000 employees. It is possible that only small security group within the company knows about the issue and has been gagged.
- intopieces 8y ago
  When a person represents a company to Congress to make a statement on an issue, they are required to be someone who can make that statement accurately. Were this not the case, we’d have hearings with a lineup of janitors from Facebook, Apple, Google, etc —- all swearing on their lives that all is well in their respective kingdoms.

lolc 8y ago

I don't think it was a sworn statement by Apple officials. Just a letter.

qaq 8y ago

Again the only thing they said that they have not uncovered any sings of hacking based on whatever endpoint and other security systems they have in place. No vendor has ever claimed they can can detect 100% best solutions can detect 98-99% given the number of exploits this depending on operating system means from many thousands to millions of exploits that will not be detected.

cmiles74 8y ago
Apple has been pretty clear in their statements and it's a given that they can't detect 100% of outgoing malicious data from their network. But they are denying much more: the servers with the altered boards entering their supply chain, Apple's rapid removal and replacement of all those servers, and so on.
- qaq 8y ago
  "Stathakopoulos repeated Apple’s statements to the press that it never found malicious chips or vulnerabilities purposely planted in any server or been contacted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) about such concerns. He said he would be available to brief Congressional staff on the issue this week." I have not seen "they are denying much more: the servers with the altered boards entering their supply chain". All statements I've read are worded very carefully.
  - cmiles74 8y ago
    I am not trying to pick a fight, but Apple's statement says... * They never found mailicious chips planted on any server * They never found a vulnerability planted on any server * They were never contacted by the FBI about malicious chips or vulnerabilities * They are willing to state this before congress In my opinion, this disagrees with the biggest pieces of the Bloomberg piece. Does the word "purposefully" really negate Apple's statement? It could be a matter of opinion, my opinion is that it does not. That they are willing to talk to Congress, to my mind, speaks to how far they are willing to go on this. IMHO, if they were under some kind of gag order they wouldn't be pushing this hard.
    - qaq 8y ago
      "They never found malicious chips planted on any server" this literally means they have never found chips planted on any server. They did not say we have conducted review of 100% of servers or anything else related to the scope or types of checking they have done. Again everything is worded very carefully. Same for every other statement you posted. If you pay attention to DHS statement they again worded it very carefully they have never stated that DHS never found any evidence they only said that Apple never did.

pergadad 8y ago

Could a national security gag order even cover a sworn statement to Congress?

21 8y ago
More likely they told Congress the truth, but the Congress is also under a national security gag and they put out a false statement about what Apple declared... Guys, you are worse than the ZeroHedge and similar conspiracy forums...
- qubax 8y ago
  > More likely they told Congress the truth, but the Congress is also under a national security gag and they put out a false statement about what Apple declared... So the secret is so important that congress is under a gag order. The two highly valued companies in the US ( Apple and AMZN ) has a gag order. But litle old bloomberg doesn't have a gag order. Isn't that a bit unbelievable? > Guys, you are worse than the ZeroHedge and similar conspiracy forums... Doesn't this apply to bloomberg and the media as well? The entire country is immersed in conspiracy. Not sure why you are attacking HN and zerohedge in particular. What's with the sudden attack on social media with attacks like "conspiracy"? What do you expect of us? The discussion has to involve conspiracies because the story deals with conspiracy. Either bloomberg is right and the chinese ( or possibly other actors ) are involved in a conspiracy to spy on us in ingenious ways. Or bloomberg is wrong and they are involved in a conspiracy ( knowingly or not ) to spread disinformation. Or it could be a misunderstanding.
  - kerng 8y ago
    Free press?

simion314 8y ago

Didn't some other USA official lied the congress?

akerro 8y ago
Never happened.
jake_the_third 8y ago
Not wittingly.
- mtgx 8y ago
  Yeah, right.

coolspot 8y ago

Apple has 123,000 employees. It is possible that only small security group within the company knows about the issue and has been gagged.

intopieces 8y ago
When a person represents a company to Congress to make a statement on an issue, they are required to be someone who can make that statement accurately. Were this not the case, we’d have hearings with a lineup of janitors from Facebook, Apple, Google, etc —- all swearing on their lives that all is well in their respective kingdoms.