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>RT in comparison is amateur hour. And yet RT a Putin propaganda station are promoting the video in the article, a video made by Krelim supporters.. You can

>RT in comparison is amateur hour. And yet RT a Putin propaganda station are promoting the video in the article, a video made by Krelim supporters.. You can call them amateur , you can't deny what they are trying to do.

coldtea 8y ago
Talk about taking for granted what you need to prove...
- ForHackernews 8y ago
  You pivoted from a poorly-executed reductio ad absurdum to full-on whataboutism in only two posts. Impressive mental gymnastics, but can you stick the landing?
  - coldtea 8y ago
    Sorry, but I'm not one who considers putting thing in perspective ("whataboutism") a logical fallacy. Or that thinks that one state has the right to have their own broadcaster (UK/BBC) and another not (Russia/RT), or that they broadcasting thing based on their own national interests and world views is propaganda whereas for a broadcaster I agree with its "objective journalism". I'm also not in the whole hysteria for Russia as some Bond villain behind everything, for things all sides do and that it does with 1/100 the resources (from Voice of America to financial support for all kinds of magazines, opposition parties and NGOs in Russia from US State Department sources, diplomatic pressure on their neighbouring countries and so on). Especially when I can see through the whole top-bottom neo-Cold War strategy of "let's corner them, surround them with NATO client states, throw in some sanctions, get some sympathetic lackey in power, and get their resources for free, plus increased control in their Southern borders". Of course people whose only source of news is American or European mainstream media will never hear about those things (and if they do, e.g. in someplace like Counterpunch they'll label it "Kremlin propaganda", as they are told). I guess some people never learn from the previous "successes" against similar enemies-du-jour in bringing democracy and making Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc into the current hell-holes they are.

coldtea 8y ago

Talk about taking for granted what you need to prove...

ForHackernews 8y ago
You pivoted from a poorly-executed reductio ad absurdum to full-on whataboutism in only two posts. Impressive mental gymnastics, but can you stick the landing?
- coldtea 8y ago
  Sorry, but I'm not one who considers putting thing in perspective ("whataboutism") a logical fallacy. Or that thinks that one state has the right to have their own broadcaster (UK/BBC) and another not (Russia/RT), or that they broadcasting thing based on their own national interests and world views is propaganda whereas for a broadcaster I agree with its "objective journalism". I'm also not in the whole hysteria for Russia as some Bond villain behind everything, for things all sides do and that it does with 1/100 the resources (from Voice of America to financial support for all kinds of magazines, opposition parties and NGOs in Russia from US State Department sources, diplomatic pressure on their neighbouring countries and so on). Especially when I can see through the whole top-bottom neo-Cold War strategy of "let's corner them, surround them with NATO client states, throw in some sanctions, get some sympathetic lackey in power, and get their resources for free, plus increased control in their Southern borders". Of course people whose only source of news is American or European mainstream media will never hear about those things (and if they do, e.g. in someplace like Counterpunch they'll label it "Kremlin propaganda", as they are told). I guess some people never learn from the previous "successes" against similar enemies-du-jour in bringing democracy and making Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc into the current hell-holes they are.