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Sounds like we need more laws around manufacturing things to make them possible to repair and the prohibition of stopping 3rd party repair. Hell the EU should p

Sounds like we need more laws around manufacturing things to make them possible to repair and the prohibition of stopping 3rd party repair. Hell the EU should pass something along these lines. It's pretty much necessary at this point.

xxs 8y ago
A simple scale of build quality and repairablity that must be glued on the box, similar to the energy class (at least in the EU) would be a good start.
- sh87 8y ago
  Interesting idea. iFixIt releases repairability scores for laptops [1] and phones [2]. As an avid tinkerer, it is shocking and disheartening to see the most popular products on both lists with the least scores ! What is the next generation of tinkerers going to muck their teens around ? [1]: https://www.ifixit.com/laptop-repairability https://www.ifixit.com/laptop-repairability [2]: https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability
- XorNot 8y ago
  A mandatory list of tools for full disassembly, sufficient that they can be sourced.
greglindahl 8y ago
It's easy for me to buy iPhone repair services where I live, despite it being less repairable.
icantdrive55 8y ago
1. A federal right to repair law needs to be enacted. 2. Yes--most people coud care less about ease of reparability, but most people don't know what's best for them anyways? 3. If you buy something, you should have access to all repair manuals/schematics. 4. Any anti-repair shenanigans should be illegial, or only permitted in certain situations. 5. Right now a rich boy buys any wristwatch over $400. That eatch could be an Omega, Rolex, or any of the Swatch Group watches. (Omega is now part of Swatch) They buy the Watch. They take it out of the leather case, with all the documentation. They put their wrist. Throughout the day, they look at that beautiful piece of machinery. It's a good feeling. You worked hard, and that hunk of metal on your wrist just feels right? No--most of you could crack open the case, and fix the watch when it starts to act up, but you should have the right. The right to order a Pallet fork, or a case screw? When you can't repair something; do you really own the watch? When that Watch needs a watch, they can't call up the factory and even order an extra watch link. (I'm yacking about watches, and cars because that's what I work on.) 6. Don't get me started on new vechicles. I took my mom car shopping. She doesn't have much money. She's getting older, and still thinks she's upper middle class in terms of income. She's not. I have bought her last three vechicles, and maintained them. I went to automotive school after I had a nervous breakdown. I'm getting a bit personal? Well I took her to the dealerships. I asked the Salesman about procuring a Service Manual, if we buy a vechicle. He just said, even experienced mechanics can't work on these computers on wheels. I knew this going in. I showed my mom the $260/hr. Service rate beaming from across the fancy waiting room. I'll stop my rant. When a company makes it difficult to repair a product, doesn't that violate The Sherman Anti-Trust Act? I do know a governmental agency looked into Swiss Watch companies demanding that all repairs are done at their pricy factory, but they didn't do anything. They said, it's basically a rich man's problem, and not important enough for further investigation. I live in a wealthy area. These people don't even walk their dogs, or even think about doing any repair on their homes, appliances, or vechicles. I was not brought up that way. I was taught to repair. Apple is blatantly trying to extract more money out of their fanboys. I used to be a Fanboy, but it was during Steve's tenure, and about up to about eight years ago. I find it depressing. Then again my life has been a depressing failure?
pitaj 8y ago
Eh, I'd rather have the option to choose than have the government force it down everyone's throats. Believe it or not, most people never repair their devices for the entire time the own them.
- xg15 8y ago
  Most people will also don't care about the environment. "We should not force the market to do something because the market doesn't do it itself" is a circular argument.

xxs 8y ago

A simple scale of build quality and repairablity that must be glued on the box, similar to the energy class (at least in the EU) would be a good start.

sh87 8y ago
Interesting idea. iFixIt releases repairability scores for laptops [1] and phones [2]. As an avid tinkerer, it is shocking and disheartening to see the most popular products on both lists with the least scores ! What is the next generation of tinkerers going to muck their teens around ? [1]: https://www.ifixit.com/laptop-repairability https://www.ifixit.com/laptop-repairability [2]: https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability
XorNot 8y ago
A mandatory list of tools for full disassembly, sufficient that they can be sourced.

greglindahl 8y ago

It's easy for me to buy iPhone repair services where I live, despite it being less repairable.

icantdrive55 8y ago

1. A federal right to repair law needs to be enacted. 2. Yes--most people coud care less about ease of reparability, but most people don't know what's best for them anyways? 3. If you buy something, you should have access to all repair manuals/schematics. 4. Any anti-repair shenanigans should be illegial, or only permitted in certain situations. 5. Right now a rich boy buys any wristwatch over $400. That eatch could be an Omega, Rolex, or any of the Swatch Group watches. (Omega is now part of Swatch) They buy the Watch. They take it out of the leather case, with all the documentation. They put their wrist. Throughout the day, they look at that beautiful piece of machinery. It's a good feeling. You worked hard, and that hunk of metal on your wrist just feels right? No--most of you could crack open the case, and fix the watch when it starts to act up, but you should have the right. The right to order a Pallet fork, or a case screw? When you can't repair something; do you really own the watch? When that Watch needs a watch, they can't call up the factory and even order an extra watch link. (I'm yacking about watches, and cars because that's what I work on.) 6. Don't get me started on new vechicles. I took my mom car shopping. She doesn't have much money. She's getting older, and still thinks she's upper middle class in terms of income. She's not. I have bought her last three vechicles, and maintained them. I went to automotive school after I had a nervous breakdown. I'm getting a bit personal? Well I took her to the dealerships. I asked the Salesman about procuring a Service Manual, if we buy a vechicle. He just said, even experienced mechanics can't work on these computers on wheels. I knew this going in. I showed my mom the $260/hr. Service rate beaming from across the fancy waiting room. I'll stop my rant. When a company makes it difficult to repair a product, doesn't that violate The Sherman Anti-Trust Act? I do know a governmental agency looked into Swiss Watch companies demanding that all repairs are done at their pricy factory, but they didn't do anything. They said, it's basically a rich man's problem, and not important enough for further investigation. I live in a wealthy area. These people don't even walk their dogs, or even think about doing any repair on their homes, appliances, or vechicles. I was not brought up that way. I was taught to repair. Apple is blatantly trying to extract more money out of their fanboys. I used to be a Fanboy, but it was during Steve's tenure, and about up to about eight years ago. I find it depressing. Then again my life has been a depressing failure?

pitaj 8y ago

Eh, I'd rather have the option to choose than have the government force it down everyone's throats. Believe it or not, most people never repair their devices for the entire time the own them.

xg15 8y ago
Most people will also don't care about the environment. "We should not force the market to do something because the market doesn't do it itself" is a circular argument.