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Thanks, and for the "please". Always good to keep your cool. This troll pops off with "scam" and then throws "lack of self awareness", which may be typical on H

Thanks, and for the "please". Always good to keep your cool. This troll pops off with "scam" and then throws "lack of self awareness", which may be typical on HN, but in my youth and in person, it would quickly lead to a fight. People need to get out from behind computers and interact f2f more.

lern_too_spel 8y ago
> This troll pops off with "scam" I call a spade a spade. You still haven't refuted the point. If you would like to, please rejoin me in the sibling thread. > in my youth and in person, it would quickly lead to a fight. I don't know how showing other ways you are ethically lacking helps your case.
- BrendanEich 8y ago
  You haven't answered his question. Who got scammed, how?
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    As I stated in the GP post, I answered that in the sibling thread with you. I have a hard time believing you have forgotten already. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18157748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18157748
    - BrendanEich 8y ago
      "It's a scam because you're stealing from publishers and then using tokens to leverage your ill-gotten gains." But we are not stealing from publishers, per your own agreement that users have the right to block ads. You are contradicting yourself. Anyway, this does not justify "scam", which is not the same word as "theft" if noun or "steal" if verb. Duh! How tokens "leverage" anything (no debt, no forward market, no speculation) is beyond me, but save it.
      - lern_too_spel 8y ago
        I'll pretend that you replied in the sibling thread like I repeatedly asked. I have answered your points there. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18158128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18158128
        BrendanEich 8y ago
        I followed your previous link. The link immediately above is to a newer post (14 minute ago) than the one from you to which I was replying. No time travel on HN. "Scam" (glad you looked it up) means "a dishonest scheme; swindle", i.e., someone was deceived. Whom did we deceive? You keep abusing it to mean extortion or theft, while admitting users can block without compensating anyone. Reminder: we don't put ads on pages unless the particular publisher partners and the user agrees. No one is deceived. Since our baseline mode is just blocking, no one is owed, either.
        lern_too_spel 8y ago
        > I followed your previous link. The link immediately above is to a newer post (14 minute ago) than the one from you to which I was replying. The link above is my response to your comments combined into the sibling thread. Once again, go there and respond.
        BrendanEich 8y ago
        I read every one of your comments. When you link to something I was supposed to have read before the prior reply from me to which you are responding, it's customary to link to the earlier in thread, or root of subthread -- not to your latest. As for "dense", you still don't employ "scam" by its meaning, even after citing that meaning -- and you contradict yourself about users' right to block ads and right to donate. If users do not owe publishers anything in lieu of ad blocking, but we help users anonymously route tokens to publishers anyway, who is scammed? Answer directly.
        8y ago

lern_too_spel 8y ago

> This troll pops off with "scam" I call a spade a spade. You still haven't refuted the point. If you would like to, please rejoin me in the sibling thread. > in my youth and in person, it would quickly lead to a fight. I don't know how showing other ways you are ethically lacking helps your case.

BrendanEich 8y ago
You haven't answered his question. Who got scammed, how?
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  As I stated in the GP post, I answered that in the sibling thread with you. I have a hard time believing you have forgotten already. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18157748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18157748
  - BrendanEich 8y ago
    "It's a scam because you're stealing from publishers and then using tokens to leverage your ill-gotten gains." But we are not stealing from publishers, per your own agreement that users have the right to block ads. You are contradicting yourself. Anyway, this does not justify "scam", which is not the same word as "theft" if noun or "steal" if verb. Duh! How tokens "leverage" anything (no debt, no forward market, no speculation) is beyond me, but save it.
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      I'll pretend that you replied in the sibling thread like I repeatedly asked. I have answered your points there. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18158128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18158128
      - BrendanEich 8y ago
        I followed your previous link. The link immediately above is to a newer post (14 minute ago) than the one from you to which I was replying. No time travel on HN. "Scam" (glad you looked it up) means "a dishonest scheme; swindle", i.e., someone was deceived. Whom did we deceive? You keep abusing it to mean extortion or theft, while admitting users can block without compensating anyone. Reminder: we don't put ads on pages unless the particular publisher partners and the user agrees. No one is deceived. Since our baseline mode is just blocking, no one is owed, either.
        lern_too_spel 8y ago
        > I followed your previous link. The link immediately above is to a newer post (14 minute ago) than the one from you to which I was replying. The link above is my response to your comments combined into the sibling thread. Once again, go there and respond.
        BrendanEich 8y ago
        I read every one of your comments. When you link to something I was supposed to have read before the prior reply from me to which you are responding, it's customary to link to the earlier in thread, or root of subthread -- not to your latest. As for "dense", you still don't employ "scam" by its meaning, even after citing that meaning -- and you contradict yourself about users' right to block ads and right to donate. If users do not owe publishers anything in lieu of ad blocking, but we help users anonymously route tokens to publishers anyway, who is scammed? Answer directly.
        8y ago