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Brave's business model is to replace a web site's ads for which the web site gets compensated for, with ads brave gets compensated for.

jonathansampson 8y ago
That is misleading. Brave blocks third-party ads and trackers (which are not only harmful to users, but often make up more than 50% of all data loaded). Brave is testing an optional digital advertising model which operates via local (on the user's device) machine-learning to match ads. If a user opts into this component, they will earn up to 70% of the ad revenue. In the future we will offer publishers (websites) the ability to partner, permitting Brave to display ads on their pages. In this arrangement, publishers will receive 70% of the ad-revenue (far better deal than what most see today), and users will receive 15% for their attention. In either model, the user must first consent to see ads. Sampson Developer Brave Software
- gruez 8y ago
  >That is misleading. I'm not sure how that post is misleading. And your responses are either evasive or does not contradict what is originally being claimed. >Brave blocks third-party ads and trackers (which are not only harmful to users, but often make up more than 50% of all data loaded). Considering "replacing" ads involve removing the original ones, I'm not sure how this this disproves mswift42's post >Brave is testing an optional digital advertising model which operates via local (on the user's device) machine-learning to match ads. If a user opts into this component, they will earn up to 70% of the ad revenue. >In the future we will offer publishers (websites) the ability to partner, permitting Brave to display ads on their pages. In this arrangement, publishers will receive 70% of the ad-revenue (far better deal than what most see today), and users will receive 15% for their attention. There's still 30% and 15% left, respectively in those examples. Is brave taking any % of that? if so, they're making money off of replaced ads. >In either model, the user must first consent to see ads. I fail to see how consent is relevant to a post about what Brave's business model is, especially one that's making a statement without any moral judgement.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    On top of that fee, they make money by hoarding the majority of the tokens. It's a scam, pure and simple. If I'm going to steal from publishers, I'm not going to pay any slimy middlemen like Eich.
    - BrendanEich 8y ago
      Another lie from a troll, but I'll respond for onlookers who may not know how to check: https://etherscan.io/token/tokenholderchart/0x0d8775f648430679a709e98d2b0cb6250d2887ef https://etherscan.io/token/tokenholderchart/0x0d8775f6484306... shows the token holders pie chart. We have the UGP+reserves largest account, 23% of all tokens. Not a majority. Bittrex liquidity pool is second. Other accounts, which we do not own, total over 70,000. Stupid lie, easily disproven, onlookers educated. But I recall USENET trolling, and miss it compared to the low HN version.
      - lern_too_spel 8y ago
        Thanks for the correction. It's not a majority (unless some of the other wallets are also you) but a plurality by a wide margin. The point still stands. What makes me a troll?
        BrendanEich 8y ago
        Oh come on! "Hoarding a majority" and "scam". You were corrected and ack'ed the point grudgingly (as if 23% is enough to do more than dump the price if we sold fast, which we will not - this pool is for the users & creators, to drive growth). Have the decency to retract the false claim cleanly.
        lern_too_spel 8y ago
        > Have the decency to retract the false claim cleanly. I retracted the false claim cleanly. The scam point remains unrefuted.

jonathansampson 8y ago

That is misleading. Brave blocks third-party ads and trackers (which are not only harmful to users, but often make up more than 50% of all data loaded). Brave is testing an optional digital advertising model which operates via local (on the user's device) machine-learning to match ads. If a user opts into this component, they will earn up to 70% of the ad revenue. In the future we will offer publishers (websites) the ability to partner, permitting Brave to display ads on their pages. In this arrangement, publishers will receive 70% of the ad-revenue (far better deal than what most see today), and users will receive 15% for their attention. In either model, the user must first consent to see ads. Sampson Developer Brave Software

gruez 8y ago
>That is misleading. I'm not sure how that post is misleading. And your responses are either evasive or does not contradict what is originally being claimed. >Brave blocks third-party ads and trackers (which are not only harmful to users, but often make up more than 50% of all data loaded). Considering "replacing" ads involve removing the original ones, I'm not sure how this this disproves mswift42's post >Brave is testing an optional digital advertising model which operates via local (on the user's device) machine-learning to match ads. If a user opts into this component, they will earn up to 70% of the ad revenue. >In the future we will offer publishers (websites) the ability to partner, permitting Brave to display ads on their pages. In this arrangement, publishers will receive 70% of the ad-revenue (far better deal than what most see today), and users will receive 15% for their attention. There's still 30% and 15% left, respectively in those examples. Is brave taking any % of that? if so, they're making money off of replaced ads. >In either model, the user must first consent to see ads. I fail to see how consent is relevant to a post about what Brave's business model is, especially one that's making a statement without any moral judgement.
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  On top of that fee, they make money by hoarding the majority of the tokens. It's a scam, pure and simple. If I'm going to steal from publishers, I'm not going to pay any slimy middlemen like Eich.
  - BrendanEich 8y ago
    Another lie from a troll, but I'll respond for onlookers who may not know how to check: https://etherscan.io/token/tokenholderchart/0x0d8775f648430679a709e98d2b0cb6250d2887ef https://etherscan.io/token/tokenholderchart/0x0d8775f6484306... shows the token holders pie chart. We have the UGP+reserves largest account, 23% of all tokens. Not a majority. Bittrex liquidity pool is second. Other accounts, which we do not own, total over 70,000. Stupid lie, easily disproven, onlookers educated. But I recall USENET trolling, and miss it compared to the low HN version.
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      Thanks for the correction. It's not a majority (unless some of the other wallets are also you) but a plurality by a wide margin. The point still stands. What makes me a troll?
      - BrendanEich 8y ago
        Oh come on! "Hoarding a majority" and "scam". You were corrected and ack'ed the point grudgingly (as if 23% is enough to do more than dump the price if we sold fast, which we will not - this pool is for the users & creators, to drive growth). Have the decency to retract the false claim cleanly.
        lern_too_spel 8y ago
        > Have the decency to retract the false claim cleanly. I retracted the false claim cleanly. The scam point remains unrefuted.