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Show HN: Monero Web Miner for Low-Tech Static Sites

46 points by jhabdas 8y ago

wmf 8y ago
I think these JS miners are stealing ten cents of electricity to generate one cent of cryptocurrency.
- tylersmith 8y ago
  That's the point of them. When the electricity is stolen from someone else and the generated coins go to you then all generated coins are profit. If they could generate one cent of cryptocurrency for less than one cent of electricity they'd just mine regularly.
  - jhabdas 8y ago
    You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
- wyldfire 8y ago
  The proof of work's intent is thus. For the most part, anyways. At equilibrium, the optimistic miners seem to always drive up difficulty beyond a neutral investment.
- TuGuQuKu 8y ago
  Capitalism is the most efficient economic system.
  - zeroname 8y ago
    ...which does not imply being optimal at every single level of analysis.
  - tomcooks 8y ago
    It's so efficient it consumes everything, even itself and the structure that keeps it in place.
- quickthrower2 8y ago
  I wonder if the miners get a better $/KWh than auto-playing video adverts?
  - jhabdas 8y ago
    It will if you use it to reward yourself as you build your own auto-playing video advertisement platform and crowdsource a rating system aimed at media moguls with high-end machines. You may even earn enough to one day party your electric bill.
- ikfmpwdsoz 8y ago
  And advertisements steal dollars worth of my time for fractions of a cent. I personally find this more justifiable.
  - jhabdas 8y ago
    He gets it.
- ryanlol 8y ago
  The ratio is probably far worse than that.
digitaLandscape 8y ago
fuck off and die
shash7 8y ago
In case anyone's interested, I wrote a piece on the Monero miner plus a couple of other 'miners' over here: https://wpplugincheck.com/articles/we-tested-3-mining-plugins-heres-what-weve-learnt/ https://wpplugincheck.com/articles/we-tested-3-mining-plugin... In my opinion, these things are way better than ads.
- zeroname 8y ago
  They also pay far less than ads. Also, let us not fool ourselves here, we are blocking both ads and miners.
- theamk 8y ago
  They are perhaps better at forcing user to install adblockers? I can generally tolerate ads, but when I notice laggy browsing and my laptop’s fan spinning up at max speed, I leave the site pretty quickly, or switch to adblocked browser.
  - sam0x17 8y ago
    I've seen ads freeze up my browser, but I have yet to see a miner do the same.
    - jhabdas 8y ago
      On top of that the miner is opt-out and (hopefully) throttled to 30% thread/cpu use (based on session and without cookie) and only while reliably detecting a page is actively in use.
kolom 8y ago
I wonder how much monero he will mine from a post on the first page of hacker news about mining monero
- jhabdas 8y ago
  Not being called Microsoft and having the rights to open source parts of Minecraft would dictate the answer to your question. But you assume I'm the one mining. And you know what they say about assumption?
dandare 8y ago
What is the economics of monetizing content with in-browser mining? How much $ can one expect from X page views lasting Y minutes?
mothsonasloth 8y ago
This is where the Brave browser and the BAT token come in.
- jhabdas 8y ago
  The application of advertisements and the ad industry in general to crypto is IMO the antithesis of the Crypto Anarchist Manifesto[^1]. What are your thoughts on this matter? [1]: https://hackcabin.com/post/take-flight-monero-cli-wallet/pdf/crypto-anarchist-manifesto.pdf https://hackcabin.com/post/take-flight-monero-cli-wallet/pdf...
wemdyjreichert 8y ago
When on desktop, I couldn't care less. But for mobile devices, it's a serious battery drain. And for old devices, it can make then intolerably slow.
- jhabdas 8y ago
  Please drum up your settings menu and share with us if you don't mind the to three apps draining your battery if you don't mind.

46 points by jhabdas 8y ago

wmf 8y ago

I think these JS miners are stealing ten cents of electricity to generate one cent of cryptocurrency.

tylersmith 8y ago
That's the point of them. When the electricity is stolen from someone else and the generated coins go to you then all generated coins are profit. If they could generate one cent of cryptocurrency for less than one cent of electricity they'd just mine regularly.
- jhabdas 8y ago
  You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
wyldfire 8y ago
The proof of work's intent is thus. For the most part, anyways. At equilibrium, the optimistic miners seem to always drive up difficulty beyond a neutral investment.
TuGuQuKu 8y ago
Capitalism is the most efficient economic system.
- zeroname 8y ago
  ...which does not imply being optimal at every single level of analysis.
- tomcooks 8y ago
  It's so efficient it consumes everything, even itself and the structure that keeps it in place.
quickthrower2 8y ago
I wonder if the miners get a better $/KWh than auto-playing video adverts?
- jhabdas 8y ago
  It will if you use it to reward yourself as you build your own auto-playing video advertisement platform and crowdsource a rating system aimed at media moguls with high-end machines. You may even earn enough to one day party your electric bill.
ikfmpwdsoz 8y ago
And advertisements steal dollars worth of my time for fractions of a cent. I personally find this more justifiable.
- jhabdas 8y ago
  He gets it.
ryanlol 8y ago
The ratio is probably far worse than that.

digitaLandscape 8y ago

fuck off and die

shash7 8y ago

In case anyone's interested, I wrote a piece on the Monero miner plus a couple of other 'miners' over here: https://wpplugincheck.com/articles/we-tested-3-mining-plugins-heres-what-weve-learnt/ https://wpplugincheck.com/articles/we-tested-3-mining-plugin... In my opinion, these things are way better than ads.

zeroname 8y ago
They also pay far less than ads. Also, let us not fool ourselves here, we are blocking both ads and miners.
theamk 8y ago
They are perhaps better at forcing user to install adblockers? I can generally tolerate ads, but when I notice laggy browsing and my laptop’s fan spinning up at max speed, I leave the site pretty quickly, or switch to adblocked browser.
- sam0x17 8y ago
  I've seen ads freeze up my browser, but I have yet to see a miner do the same.
  - jhabdas 8y ago
    On top of that the miner is opt-out and (hopefully) throttled to 30% thread/cpu use (based on session and without cookie) and only while reliably detecting a page is actively in use.

kolom 8y ago

I wonder how much monero he will mine from a post on the first page of hacker news about mining monero

jhabdas 8y ago
Not being called Microsoft and having the rights to open source parts of Minecraft would dictate the answer to your question. But you assume I'm the one mining. And you know what they say about assumption?

dandare 8y ago

What is the economics of monetizing content with in-browser mining? How much $ can one expect from X page views lasting Y minutes?

mothsonasloth 8y ago

This is where the Brave browser and the BAT token come in.

jhabdas 8y ago
The application of advertisements and the ad industry in general to crypto is IMO the antithesis of the Crypto Anarchist Manifesto[^1]. What are your thoughts on this matter? [1]: https://hackcabin.com/post/take-flight-monero-cli-wallet/pdf/crypto-anarchist-manifesto.pdf https://hackcabin.com/post/take-flight-monero-cli-wallet/pdf...

wemdyjreichert 8y ago

When on desktop, I couldn't care less. But for mobile devices, it's a serious battery drain. And for old devices, it can make then intolerably slow.

jhabdas 8y ago
Please drum up your settings menu and share with us if you don't mind the to three apps draining your battery if you don't mind.