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Contemporary MS are trying to lock you into their hardware, software, development and deployment platforms. They are doing this while making the tools to do so

by yarrel 8y ago

Contemporary MS are trying to lock you into their hardware, software, development and deployment platforms. They are doing this while making the tools to do so Open Source. You are not free to control your computing in this ecosystem, but hey that's a small price to pay. And people are eating this up. Precisely because they aren't worried about history. As for how embracing Android fits into this, it's not clear how it doesn't.

Apocryphon 8y ago
To be fair, aren't Apple, Google, Amazon, etc. all pretty much doing the same thing these days? Everyone wants to own the ecosystem. Everyone is patient enough to integrate with others', but with experiences that are just a little worse than going all-native. MS gets the worst hate because of history, when it was the only juggernaut. But now we have many juggernauts, and they all behave more or less similarly.
- bubblethink 8y ago
  You can cut google some slack though. They walk a fine line. You can use AOSP without any google play services. It works great. Sure, they won't make it easy, but something has to pay the bills. So things are in a very fine balance right now wrt AOSP. They also earn a bit of goodwill because, as I discovered recently, you can still use carddav, caldav, and xmpp for accessing google contacts, calendar and hangouts although google has officially deprecated all the open protocols. So they haven't gone full evil just yet.
  - paulcarroty 8y ago
    AOSP also send telemetry to Google, also like Chromium does, and use hardcoded Google DNS and internet-checking services. > you can still use carddav, caldav, and xmpp Xmpp is gone, *dav only via 3rd party apps. Also Google doesn't delete Chinese and other apps which stole user data like Apple does.
    - bubblethink 8y ago
      xmpp works as of today. Not sure about which chinese apps. AOSP doesn't come with any. Neither do the phones sold by google in their stock configuration.

by yarrel 8y ago

Apocryphon 8y ago

To be fair, aren't Apple, Google, Amazon, etc. all pretty much doing the same thing these days? Everyone wants to own the ecosystem. Everyone is patient enough to integrate with others', but with experiences that are just a little worse than going all-native. MS gets the worst hate because of history, when it was the only juggernaut. But now we have many juggernauts, and they all behave more or less similarly.

bubblethink 8y ago
You can cut google some slack though. They walk a fine line. You can use AOSP without any google play services. It works great. Sure, they won't make it easy, but something has to pay the bills. So things are in a very fine balance right now wrt AOSP. They also earn a bit of goodwill because, as I discovered recently, you can still use carddav, caldav, and xmpp for accessing google contacts, calendar and hangouts although google has officially deprecated all the open protocols. So they haven't gone full evil just yet.
- paulcarroty 8y ago
  AOSP also send telemetry to Google, also like Chromium does, and use hardcoded Google DNS and internet-checking services. > you can still use carddav, caldav, and xmpp Xmpp is gone, *dav only via 3rd party apps. Also Google doesn't delete Chinese and other apps which stole user data like Apple does.
  - bubblethink 8y ago
    xmpp works as of today. Not sure about which chinese apps. AOSP doesn't come with any. Neither do the phones sold by google in their stock configuration.