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Firefox and Chrome will install Flash for you quite easily (or actually, Chrome has it built in, doesn't it?). However, I suppose 60% of Mac users prefer Safari

Firefox and Chrome will install Flash for you quite easily (or actually, Chrome has it built in, doesn't it?). However, I suppose 60% of Mac users prefer Safari. Does Safari have a plug in finder service like Firefox, if so, does it locate Flash for you? Oh, as the article notes, Windows doesn't ship with Flash installed, either. Does this mean anything at all? No.

WalterGR 16y ago
Oh, as the article notes, Windows doesn't ship with Flash installed, either. XP does. I don't know about Vista and 7. Presumably some large percentage of Windows desktops and laptops are sold with Flash pre-installed.
- Keyframe 16y ago
  7 also doesn't ship with Flash.
- slantyyz 16y ago
  At the very least, I was forced to perform an annoying upgrade of a painfully outdated version of Flash that came on the XP install media. In that case, it's the same effort as an install.
kj12345 16y ago
The main way to get Flash is through alternative content placed inside an <object> tag which should be displayed when a player is not found. So normally a download button would appear, in the screenshot though it looks like Engadget just wrote bad embedding code.
ZeroGravitas 16y ago
On Safari market share, maybe the Mac OS X App store will have the unintended effect of promoting free (non-pay) software such as Firefox, Chrome and Opera, assuming there isn't some convenient rule that prevents including them.
Samuel_Michon 16y ago
"Oh, as the article notes, Windows doesn't ship with Flash installed, either." Why Microsoft doesn't ship Windows with Flash anymore might have something to do with the fact that they're trying to push Silverlight (even though that's not a standard install either). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlight#Relationship_to_existing_Web_standards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlight#Relationship_to_exi...
- jbrennan 16y ago
  Flash had never come in-the-box for Windows, even long before Microsoft had Silverlight.
  - j_s 16y ago
    Not true. Windows XP included Flash. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash_Player http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash_Player "Two years later it shipped with all releases of Windows XP." https://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-020.mspx https://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-020... "Vulnerable versions of Macromedia Flash Player from Adobe are included with Windows XP"

WalterGR 16y ago

Oh, as the article notes, Windows doesn't ship with Flash installed, either. XP does. I don't know about Vista and 7. Presumably some large percentage of Windows desktops and laptops are sold with Flash pre-installed.

Keyframe 16y ago
7 also doesn't ship with Flash.
slantyyz 16y ago
At the very least, I was forced to perform an annoying upgrade of a painfully outdated version of Flash that came on the XP install media. In that case, it's the same effort as an install.

kj12345 16y ago

The main way to get Flash is through alternative content placed inside an <object> tag which should be displayed when a player is not found. So normally a download button would appear, in the screenshot though it looks like Engadget just wrote bad embedding code.

ZeroGravitas 16y ago

On Safari market share, maybe the Mac OS X App store will have the unintended effect of promoting free (non-pay) software such as Firefox, Chrome and Opera, assuming there isn't some convenient rule that prevents including them.

Samuel_Michon 16y ago

"Oh, as the article notes, Windows doesn't ship with Flash installed, either." Why Microsoft doesn't ship Windows with Flash anymore might have something to do with the fact that they're trying to push Silverlight (even though that's not a standard install either). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlight#Relationship_to_existing_Web_standards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlight#Relationship_to_exi...

jbrennan 16y ago
Flash had never come in-the-box for Windows, even long before Microsoft had Silverlight.
- j_s 16y ago
  Not true. Windows XP included Flash. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash_Player http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash_Player "Two years later it shipped with all releases of Windows XP." https://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-020.mspx https://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-020... "Vulnerable versions of Macromedia Flash Player from Adobe are included with Windows XP"