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> top flagships from Samsung, Google, OnePlus all run Android without any stutter at stable 60fps too This is true. The problem is that the FPS don't matter so

by ddalex 8y ago

> top flagships from Samsung, Google, OnePlus all run Android without any stutter at stable 60fps too This is true. The problem is that the FPS don't matter so much as latency touch-to-update does. And Apple keeps this latency about 1/2 of what Android can do.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
Have any evidence to back that claim up? Even the $320 Pocophone F1 can perform at and above the iPhone XS Max performance in everyday tasks [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88
- lhl 8y ago
  Here’s a slightly older chart of touch latency tests: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriques_the_site_that_found_op3_touch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriq... I’d be interested to see if there are more recent tests. Here’s Dan Luu’s tests on scrolling latency: https://danluu.com/input-lag/ https://danluu.com/input-lag/
- teddyfrozevelt 8y ago
  These kinds of speed tests where they just open apps and "measure" how long they take to open are extremely unscientific and aren't good indicators of a phone's performance. There's so many variables they never control for except making sure there's no apps in the multitasking view. They're barely useful for anything other than knowing how many milliseconds you'll save opening an app.
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    That's why I said 'everyday tasks'. This wasn't really meant to be scientific or compare heavy workloads, but claiming iPhones have a giant advantage in total is a bit untrue.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    Except opening communication and productivity apps is what people usually do when using their phones, not running CPU benchmarks. That Apple is so far behind and has been for years makes using iOS a laggy experience for anyone used to Android's speed.
    - NeedMoreTea 8y ago
      Interesting. For reasons entirely separate from speed and benchmarks I left Android 18 months or so ago, and bought an iPhone SE knowing it was "last years tech". Despite having had mainly expensive, well specced, Android phones including a flagship or two I found iOS the most responsive, least laggy experience I've ever encountered on a smart phone. I was actually quite shocked at just how impressed I was on iOS 10 after Android phones that had cost me twice as much and many decades learning every UI and UX experience will disappoint.
      - lern_too_spel 8y ago
        I have the opposite experience, but these are just anecdotes. Every YouTube video comparing non-Samsung Android to iOS seems to agree with my experience.
    - threeseed 8y ago
      > iOS a laggy experience for anyone used to Android's speed This is the first time I've heard this. Most of the time it is complaints about Android being laggy.
    - prolikewh0a 8y ago
      I'm going to go with "in 2018, both Android and iPhone are perfectly usable and fast at everyday tasks".
- __sr__ 8y ago
  Can the $320 Pocofone F1 let me watch Netflix in HD? I consider that to be an everyday task.
  - lostsock 8y ago
    According to Netflix, yes you can. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23939 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23939 > In addition to the models listed above, you can stream Netflix in HD on devices powered by the following chipsets. Check with the manufacturer of your device to confirm hardware specifications: [...] Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-9293.php https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-9293.php > Chipset Qualcomm SDM845 Snapdragon 845 (10 nm)
    - __sr__ 8y ago
      No, you can’t. It doesn’t have Widevine L1. https://m.gsmarena.com/the_pocophone_f1_cant_stream_hd_video_from_netflix_hulu_or_amazon-news-33023.php https://m.gsmarena.com/the_pocophone_f1_cant_stream_hd_video...
jsight 8y ago
I actually find the touch latency thing to be really misleading. I have one iOS device (and iPad Pro 9.7"). The touch latency is definitely better than my Pixel 2 XL, but not enough for me to ever care about it in the best case for both devices. The annoyances come when the responsiveness is below the standard for either device (eg, 1/4second to 1/2 second delays). I see some of those on both devices, tbh.

by ddalex 8y ago

prolikewh0a 8y ago

Have any evidence to back that claim up? Even the $320 Pocophone F1 can perform at and above the iPhone XS Max performance in everyday tasks [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88

lhl 8y ago
Here’s a slightly older chart of touch latency tests: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriques_the_site_that_found_op3_touch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriq... I’d be interested to see if there are more recent tests. Here’s Dan Luu’s tests on scrolling latency: https://danluu.com/input-lag/ https://danluu.com/input-lag/
teddyfrozevelt 8y ago
These kinds of speed tests where they just open apps and "measure" how long they take to open are extremely unscientific and aren't good indicators of a phone's performance. There's so many variables they never control for except making sure there's no apps in the multitasking view. They're barely useful for anything other than knowing how many milliseconds you'll save opening an app.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  That's why I said 'everyday tasks'. This wasn't really meant to be scientific or compare heavy workloads, but claiming iPhones have a giant advantage in total is a bit untrue.
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  Except opening communication and productivity apps is what people usually do when using their phones, not running CPU benchmarks. That Apple is so far behind and has been for years makes using iOS a laggy experience for anyone used to Android's speed.
  - NeedMoreTea 8y ago
    Interesting. For reasons entirely separate from speed and benchmarks I left Android 18 months or so ago, and bought an iPhone SE knowing it was "last years tech". Despite having had mainly expensive, well specced, Android phones including a flagship or two I found iOS the most responsive, least laggy experience I've ever encountered on a smart phone. I was actually quite shocked at just how impressed I was on iOS 10 after Android phones that had cost me twice as much and many decades learning every UI and UX experience will disappoint.
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      I have the opposite experience, but these are just anecdotes. Every YouTube video comparing non-Samsung Android to iOS seems to agree with my experience.
  - threeseed 8y ago
    > iOS a laggy experience for anyone used to Android's speed This is the first time I've heard this. Most of the time it is complaints about Android being laggy.
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    I'm going to go with "in 2018, both Android and iPhone are perfectly usable and fast at everyday tasks".
__sr__ 8y ago
Can the $320 Pocofone F1 let me watch Netflix in HD? I consider that to be an everyday task.
- lostsock 8y ago
  According to Netflix, yes you can. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23939 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23939 > In addition to the models listed above, you can stream Netflix in HD on devices powered by the following chipsets. Check with the manufacturer of your device to confirm hardware specifications: [...] Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-9293.php https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-9293.php > Chipset Qualcomm SDM845 Snapdragon 845 (10 nm)
  - __sr__ 8y ago
    No, you can’t. It doesn’t have Widevine L1. https://m.gsmarena.com/the_pocophone_f1_cant_stream_hd_video_from_netflix_hulu_or_amazon-news-33023.php https://m.gsmarena.com/the_pocophone_f1_cant_stream_hd_video...

jsight 8y ago

I actually find the touch latency thing to be really misleading. I have one iOS device (and iPad Pro 9.7"). The touch latency is definitely better than my Pixel 2 XL, but not enough for me to ever care about it in the best case for both devices. The annoyances come when the responsiveness is below the standard for either device (eg, 1/4second to 1/2 second delays). I see some of those on both devices, tbh.