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It's a somewhat infamous tactic used by a US leader in a war game simulation of war with a hypothetical mid east enemy (Iran of course), he used first a wave of

It's a somewhat infamous tactic used by a US leader in a war game simulation of war with a hypothetical mid east enemy (Iran of course), he used first a wave of cruise missiles, then a follow up attack of many small boats on suicide runs to overwhelm a carrier force (hypothetically) and won a two week planned exercise in one day, so the folks in charge re-ran the simulation and barred the tactics he used. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

hef19898 8y ago
True that, if could with the pants down a carrier is nothing more than a big target. There is alo an example (no source, sorry) of a German sub surfacing next to a US carrier, within the inner defense ring, suring an exercise. But all that only works of the carrier is caught flat footed. To stay in the metaphor, the carrier "automotive industry" is no longer flat footed. Partol aircraft and choppers are deployed and the defenses are up. By the way, I like that image, fits the business world much bettwr than the proverbial tanker vessel for big co.
- stevenwoo 8y ago
  Sweden produces short range diesel electric subs that were able to sink a US carrier in a similar war game so the US Navy leased one to learn how to adapt to the previously unknown weakness. IIRC China was making these kinds of subs but they have pretty short range, compared to most attack subs. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a19784775/gotland-class-sub-ronald-reagan-war-games/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a197847...
bluGill 8y ago
The point of a simulation is to find vulnerabilities. When something works the correct thing is to rerun it with the assumption that you have mitigated that attack to see what your next vulnerability is. You of course also make sure the mitigation actually happens. Lawyers run practice trials all the time, if their opponent in practice comes up with an argument they can't destroy on the spot they know where they need to focus.
- stevenwoo 8y ago
  Yes, they should have at least tried once again with no restrictions to see if the assymetric warfare worked with the Blue team prepared for it by the first run experience, the barring the tactic totally seems to be the opposite of what they should have done.

hef19898 8y ago

True that, if could with the pants down a carrier is nothing more than a big target. There is alo an example (no source, sorry) of a German sub surfacing next to a US carrier, within the inner defense ring, suring an exercise. But all that only works of the carrier is caught flat footed. To stay in the metaphor, the carrier "automotive industry" is no longer flat footed. Partol aircraft and choppers are deployed and the defenses are up. By the way, I like that image, fits the business world much bettwr than the proverbial tanker vessel for big co.

stevenwoo 8y ago
Sweden produces short range diesel electric subs that were able to sink a US carrier in a similar war game so the US Navy leased one to learn how to adapt to the previously unknown weakness. IIRC China was making these kinds of subs but they have pretty short range, compared to most attack subs. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a19784775/gotland-class-sub-ronald-reagan-war-games/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a197847...

bluGill 8y ago

The point of a simulation is to find vulnerabilities. When something works the correct thing is to rerun it with the assumption that you have mitigated that attack to see what your next vulnerability is. You of course also make sure the mitigation actually happens. Lawyers run practice trials all the time, if their opponent in practice comes up with an argument they can't destroy on the spot they know where they need to focus.

stevenwoo 8y ago
Yes, they should have at least tried once again with no restrictions to see if the assymetric warfare worked with the Blue team prepared for it by the first run experience, the barring the tactic totally seems to be the opposite of what they should have done.