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> Software may be free but not open-source, and it may be open-source but not free. Other than version 1 of the Apple Public Source license, which is considere

by mjg59 8y ago

> Software may be free but not open-source, and it may be open-source but not free. Other than version 1 of the Apple Public Source license, which is considered open source but not free (and also now entirely unused), what cases are you thinking of?

carlosdp 8y ago
Epic's Unreal Engine is another example
- andrewshadura 8y ago
  Could you please elaborate?
  - SSLy 8y ago
    It's shared source, behind a register wall. You can clone the git tree and privately hack to your heart's content, but commercial usage and sharing of the source are under (fairly reasonable) particular rules.
MayorMonty 8y ago
In the past I've run into projects where the source was on GitHub where you could compile yourself, but binaries needed to be purchased. Lemme see if I can find it
- andrewshadura 8y ago
  That is still free software and open source.
- mjg59 8y ago
  There's plenty of non-free code on github, but it's still not open source and nobody seriously refers to it as such.
nulbyte 8y ago
There are specific controversies; take GNU vs OSI. GNU elaborates the differences on their site: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.en..... I couldn't find OSI's take on their website, other than a general lack of reference to GNU/FSF's idea of Free Software. Then there are disagreements on specific licenses. OSI approves licenses GNU does not classify as Free, and GNU classifies licenses as Free that OSI does not approve. Then there's GitHub, which publishes a site to help you "choose an open source license," which includes a license not approved by OSI (the Unlicense), and only makes a reference to OSI as an "additional resource". Likewise, GitHub lists FSF as an "additional resource," while consistently using the term open source, not free, and not free and open. Digital Ocean explains the difference between free and open-source software: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/Free-vs-Open-Source-Software https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/Free-vs-Ope.... Eliah Kagan answers the question on AskUbuntu with some explanation of the history and plenty of links: https://askubuntu.com/questions/78958/is-there-a-difference-between-free-software-and-open-source-software#79316 https://askubuntu.com/questions/78958/is-there-a-difference-....

by mjg59 8y ago

carlosdp 8y ago

Epic's Unreal Engine is another example

andrewshadura 8y ago
Could you please elaborate?
- SSLy 8y ago
  It's shared source, behind a register wall. You can clone the git tree and privately hack to your heart's content, but commercial usage and sharing of the source are under (fairly reasonable) particular rules.

MayorMonty 8y ago

In the past I've run into projects where the source was on GitHub where you could compile yourself, but binaries needed to be purchased. Lemme see if I can find it

andrewshadura 8y ago
That is still free software and open source.
mjg59 8y ago
There's plenty of non-free code on github, but it's still not open source and nobody seriously refers to it as such.

nulbyte 8y ago

There are specific controversies; take GNU vs OSI. GNU elaborates the differences on their site: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.en..... I couldn't find OSI's take on their website, other than a general lack of reference to GNU/FSF's idea of Free Software. Then there are disagreements on specific licenses. OSI approves licenses GNU does not classify as Free, and GNU classifies licenses as Free that OSI does not approve. Then there's GitHub, which publishes a site to help you "choose an open source license," which includes a license not approved by OSI (the Unlicense), and only makes a reference to OSI as an "additional resource". Likewise, GitHub lists FSF as an "additional resource," while consistently using the term open source, not free, and not free and open. Digital Ocean explains the difference between free and open-source software: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/Free-vs-Open-Source-Software https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/Free-vs-Ope.... Eliah Kagan answers the question on AskUbuntu with some explanation of the history and plenty of links: https://askubuntu.com/questions/78958/is-there-a-difference-between-free-software-and-open-source-software#79316 https://askubuntu.com/questions/78958/is-there-a-difference-....