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Microsoft has really gone too far with OTA and automatically reverting settings to more grandma friendly options. I have a windows pc which every month will hav

by Too 8y ago

Microsoft has really gone too far with OTA and automatically reverting settings to more grandma friendly options. I have a windows pc which every month will have some setting reverted without me touching it. It can be anything and it usually takes some time to discover it because it only presents itself when you perform some rare task. My network sharing settings and external monitor scaling settings has been lost multiple times after OTA. I used to prefer windows but now it's simply not reliable as a OS anymore. They treat it as the front page of Facebook. Every time you boot up its a surprise what you are going to get. Backwards compatability which used to be Microsoft hallmark has now sunk so low that even the user facing options and data are unstable. I understand the need and desire for OTA and shipping new and modified features but whatever you do don't break user settings unless the feature is so much modified the old setting doesn't make sense anymore.

Someguywhatever 8y ago
>They treat it as the front page of Facebook. yes, well said. I find this especially annoying. They also nag me to install or try something, and the only thing that the nag messages are achieving is making me start to hate windows....
- mrfredward 8y ago
  Yep. It's the built in "try office" notifications that keep turning themselves back on that make me crazy. Windows is a paid product, and has ads built in. Linux is free, no ads. Why do I put up with it... Visual studio and games. Windows as an OS just pisses me off, but every time I try to make Linux my primary OS, I realize how attached I am to things on the windows platform.
  - mixedCase 8y ago
    >Visual studio and games Unless you're maintaining old .NET Framework apps, VS Code and/or CLion should cover all your needs when it comes to graphical IDEs. As far as games go, between native, Steam Proton and Lutris I've found no end to the amount of great games to play. Yesterday I started playing Overcooked 2 (native) with my wife, right after we finished the first one (regular Wine). I also play Overwatch (with Lutris) at least a couple of times a week which plays pretty great nowadays if I tone down the settings a bit, and been playing Doom 2016 (Steam Proton) which runs every bit as well as it does on Windows.
RobertSmith 8y ago
Yep. Microsoft's playground has always been our computers and servers.
- anticensor 8y ago
  They forgot to turn the flag down while it is exiting Microsoft Ring.
ragequitta 8y ago
I know I'm going to sound like a microsoft employee or apologist, but I really have no skin in the game. I want windows to be better, but I think people are just going to far with minor gripes. Windows 10 has been the least disruptive Windows OS I've ever used. Maybe it's because I don't need to mess around with many settings, but I have had exactly 0 problems. On a clean install I used O&O Shutup 10, change my mouse settings, delete the 6-10 icons in the start menu that I don't want, and I've pretty much been good since beta (using O&O and making sure my drivers are good after every major update). I think the biggest disruption I remember was when they changed the audio settings completely, but that change was necessary (windows audio settings sucked) and is actually a pretty good change. And I think people are not remembering just how many problems there were with windows 7/XP. Like the EXACT same problems people are complaining about now. Name a problem you're experiencing I can find a forum thread about someone having it on almost any version of Windows OS. And quite often many distros of linux as well.
- fhood 8y ago
  Windows 7 and XP were not good, people see XP through nostalgia goggles and Windows 7 is just prettier XP. Windows 10 is easily my favorite of the three. I wish I understood windows better though. The issues I run into with unix machines always seem more fixable, because I find the solutions and approaches more intuitive. Windows remains a black box to me.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    > Windows 7 is just prettier XP Windows 7 has a completely revamped driver model and network stack compared to XP. They aren't really that alike.
    - fhood 8y ago
      Sorry, I meant that they looked and felt quite similar to the user.
  - ragequitta 8y ago
    I agree that sometimes Windows can be puzzling. Though I think most of the 'black box' problems I've encountered in windows have been my own damn fault. I notice people try and "fine tune" it too much. I used to be this way too, because it used to be necessary. It's really not anymore IMO. Yes you want to turn off some things (O&O makes a good list, and backs everything up before changing stuff, which is why I use it) but 99.9999% of users don't have any reason to go into the registry for instance. And if you really care about the 3MB and 0 resources you're saving by tweaking the features/apps/etc installed be VERY careful. Do not trust random 'security' and 'debloat' scripts to not completely mess up your OS. Even if you understand the script, you may not understand that uninstalling X causes Y problem. I really do think win10 is hated on quite a bit because people have caused their own issues thinking they know more than they do.
jakobdabo 8y ago
> They treat it as the front page of Facebook. For me, the last several years my designated Windows machine is just a firmware for running single-player triple-A games in the weekends, and always offline.
StreamBright 8y ago
Android used to do exactly the same modifying my settings during upgrades. I cant believe we are living in an era when software vendors just fuck with users left and right.

by Too 8y ago

Someguywhatever 8y ago

>They treat it as the front page of Facebook. yes, well said. I find this especially annoying. They also nag me to install or try something, and the only thing that the nag messages are achieving is making me start to hate windows....

mrfredward 8y ago
Yep. It's the built in "try office" notifications that keep turning themselves back on that make me crazy. Windows is a paid product, and has ads built in. Linux is free, no ads. Why do I put up with it... Visual studio and games. Windows as an OS just pisses me off, but every time I try to make Linux my primary OS, I realize how attached I am to things on the windows platform.
- mixedCase 8y ago
  >Visual studio and games Unless you're maintaining old .NET Framework apps, VS Code and/or CLion should cover all your needs when it comes to graphical IDEs. As far as games go, between native, Steam Proton and Lutris I've found no end to the amount of great games to play. Yesterday I started playing Overcooked 2 (native) with my wife, right after we finished the first one (regular Wine). I also play Overwatch (with Lutris) at least a couple of times a week which plays pretty great nowadays if I tone down the settings a bit, and been playing Doom 2016 (Steam Proton) which runs every bit as well as it does on Windows.

RobertSmith 8y ago

Yep. Microsoft's playground has always been our computers and servers.

anticensor 8y ago
They forgot to turn the flag down while it is exiting Microsoft Ring.

ragequitta 8y ago

I know I'm going to sound like a microsoft employee or apologist, but I really have no skin in the game. I want windows to be better, but I think people are just going to far with minor gripes. Windows 10 has been the least disruptive Windows OS I've ever used. Maybe it's because I don't need to mess around with many settings, but I have had exactly 0 problems. On a clean install I used O&O Shutup 10, change my mouse settings, delete the 6-10 icons in the start menu that I don't want, and I've pretty much been good since beta (using O&O and making sure my drivers are good after every major update). I think the biggest disruption I remember was when they changed the audio settings completely, but that change was necessary (windows audio settings sucked) and is actually a pretty good change. And I think people are not remembering just how many problems there were with windows 7/XP. Like the EXACT same problems people are complaining about now. Name a problem you're experiencing I can find a forum thread about someone having it on almost any version of Windows OS. And quite often many distros of linux as well.

fhood 8y ago
Windows 7 and XP were not good, people see XP through nostalgia goggles and Windows 7 is just prettier XP. Windows 10 is easily my favorite of the three. I wish I understood windows better though. The issues I run into with unix machines always seem more fixable, because I find the solutions and approaches more intuitive. Windows remains a black box to me.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  > Windows 7 is just prettier XP Windows 7 has a completely revamped driver model and network stack compared to XP. They aren't really that alike.
  - fhood 8y ago
    Sorry, I meant that they looked and felt quite similar to the user.
- ragequitta 8y ago
  I agree that sometimes Windows can be puzzling. Though I think most of the 'black box' problems I've encountered in windows have been my own damn fault. I notice people try and "fine tune" it too much. I used to be this way too, because it used to be necessary. It's really not anymore IMO. Yes you want to turn off some things (O&O makes a good list, and backs everything up before changing stuff, which is why I use it) but 99.9999% of users don't have any reason to go into the registry for instance. And if you really care about the 3MB and 0 resources you're saving by tweaking the features/apps/etc installed be VERY careful. Do not trust random 'security' and 'debloat' scripts to not completely mess up your OS. Even if you understand the script, you may not understand that uninstalling X causes Y problem. I really do think win10 is hated on quite a bit because people have caused their own issues thinking they know more than they do.

jakobdabo 8y ago

> They treat it as the front page of Facebook. For me, the last several years my designated Windows machine is just a firmware for running single-player triple-A games in the weekends, and always offline.

StreamBright 8y ago

Android used to do exactly the same modifying my settings during upgrades. I cant believe we are living in an era when software vendors just fuck with users left and right.