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CERN used RH too, 6 when I was there. I believe they've now switched to Scientific Linux. Actually I don't understand why Google would use virtualisation. Why

by retube 16y ago

CERN used RH too, 6 when I was there. I believe they've now switched to Scientific Linux. Actually I don't understand why Google would use virtualisation. Why would they split a physical box up? Making many hosts look like one, yes (is such a thing possible?), but not the other way around. And AFS was cool: it was actually a global filesystem that many institutions used. you could cd /, ls and browse to nasa.gov amongst many thousands of others (much was protected!) (cern was mounted on /cern.ch)

mechanical_fish 16y ago
I don't understand why Google would use virtualisation. Why would they split a physical box up? Ease of administration. It turns out to be much easier to have ten virtual machines running one daemon each than one virtual machine running ten daemons. Fewer interactions, cleaner process boundaries (the boundary between one VM and another is pretty thick), easier debugging. Easier to swap out parts without affecting other parts. Much easier scaling. (If you need more servers for Service X, launch more VMs; if your machine needs more RAM to hold those VMs, launch the VMs on a different physical box -- the system doesn't need to be changed to support that because it's already architected to assume separate "machines" for everything.) For more on the subject ask Ezra Zygmuntowicz or his blog and books. I stole all of this material from him.
- retube 16y ago
  that's a great response, cheers
- gaius 16y ago
  It turns out to be much easier to have ten virtual machines running one daemon each It's funny, when you needed one OS instance per network server daemon on Windows in the 90s, everyone laughed at it. Now it counts as cutting edge thought.
  - borism 16y ago
    Everyone laughed at it because at the same time there were OSes available that could run unlimited number of daemons simultaneously. Now it's a matter of choice for system owner. And of course all those single-daemon VMs run inside OS that lets numerous VMs run at the same time.
- silverlake 16y ago
  Would Solaris containers or Linux VServer work as well here? One would need good management tools, of course.
  - jeebusroxors 16y ago
    I haven't gotten super in depth with containers (zones or ldoms) but I don't think they inherently offer nearly as much flexibility as vmware. Not to mention Solaris 10 can be...interesting.
- adambyrtek 16y ago
  Not to mention that you can do cool things with virtual machines like live migration and fail-over from one physical machine to another in a fully transparent way.
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by retube 16y ago

mechanical_fish 16y ago

I don't understand why Google would use virtualisation. Why would they split a physical box up? Ease of administration. It turns out to be much easier to have ten virtual machines running one daemon each than one virtual machine running ten daemons. Fewer interactions, cleaner process boundaries (the boundary between one VM and another is pretty thick), easier debugging. Easier to swap out parts without affecting other parts. Much easier scaling. (If you need more servers for Service X, launch more VMs; if your machine needs more RAM to hold those VMs, launch the VMs on a different physical box -- the system doesn't need to be changed to support that because it's already architected to assume separate "machines" for everything.) For more on the subject ask Ezra Zygmuntowicz or his blog and books. I stole all of this material from him.

retube 16y ago
that's a great response, cheers
gaius 16y ago
It turns out to be much easier to have ten virtual machines running one daemon each It's funny, when you needed one OS instance per network server daemon on Windows in the 90s, everyone laughed at it. Now it counts as cutting edge thought.
- borism 16y ago
  Everyone laughed at it because at the same time there were OSes available that could run unlimited number of daemons simultaneously. Now it's a matter of choice for system owner. And of course all those single-daemon VMs run inside OS that lets numerous VMs run at the same time.
silverlake 16y ago
Would Solaris containers or Linux VServer work as well here? One would need good management tools, of course.
- jeebusroxors 16y ago
  I haven't gotten super in depth with containers (zones or ldoms) but I don't think they inherently offer nearly as much flexibility as vmware. Not to mention Solaris 10 can be...interesting.
adambyrtek 16y ago
Not to mention that you can do cool things with virtual machines like live migration and fail-over from one physical machine to another in a fully transparent way.

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