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Maybe the fact WebObjects was removed from Snow Leopard Server means they don't depend on it internally as much? It seems like they've been cooling off on Java

Maybe the fact WebObjects was removed from Snow Leopard Server means they don't depend on it internally as much? It seems like they've been cooling off on Java development and support over the last few years.

cosmicray 16y ago
I believe that the current WebObjects license (while no longer having a licensing fee) stipulates that it should be run on Apple hardware. Some wags have speculated that it would be OK to run it on an Mac Pro even with Windows 7. I don't believe this is an immediate issue, but one that people doing long term planning should consider. If you want to write/run Java code, have at it. If you want to write something that will be widely distributed, you may want to think carefully.
- slantyyz 16y ago
  It used to be cross platform. Back in the dotcom days, I was at a company that would sell implementations of it for Windows and Sun servers. That was when the software price started at 50k (iirc) though. When you're charging that kind of coin, I guess the motivation to support Windows is higher.
  - uriel 16y ago
    Java has never been cross platform. Back in the dot.bomb days running java on anything other than Windows and Solaris was a huge pain in the ass when not outright impossible, and there was Sun's infamous internal memo about how much Java on Solaris sucked!
    - blasdel 16y ago
      I found the memo from 2003: http://web.archive.org/web/20030210024427/http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=1321 http://web.archive.org/web/20030210024427/http://www.interna... -- this blog thread discussing it is enlightening: http://www.advogato.org/article/624.html http://www.advogato.org/article/624.html
    - slantyyz 16y ago
      I was talking about WebObjects.
  - jonhendry 16y ago
    That might have been when WebObjects was still using Objective-C.
    - slantyyz 16y ago
      Our coders wrote their code in Java.
umjames 16y ago
Last I heard, and this was around the switch to Intel (2005?), the iTunes store and online web store are run off of WebObjects. Apple probably saw that outside web developers weren't using WebObjects enough to continue supporting it externally. That doesn't mean that they aren't using it (and maybe building on it) internally. I don't think it's that you can't use WebObjects anymore outside of Apple, it's that most people don't (not even in the Java community).

cosmicray 16y ago

I believe that the current WebObjects license (while no longer having a licensing fee) stipulates that it should be run on Apple hardware. Some wags have speculated that it would be OK to run it on an Mac Pro even with Windows 7. I don't believe this is an immediate issue, but one that people doing long term planning should consider. If you want to write/run Java code, have at it. If you want to write something that will be widely distributed, you may want to think carefully.

slantyyz 16y ago
It used to be cross platform. Back in the dotcom days, I was at a company that would sell implementations of it for Windows and Sun servers. That was when the software price started at 50k (iirc) though. When you're charging that kind of coin, I guess the motivation to support Windows is higher.
- uriel 16y ago
  Java has never been cross platform. Back in the dot.bomb days running java on anything other than Windows and Solaris was a huge pain in the ass when not outright impossible, and there was Sun's infamous internal memo about how much Java on Solaris sucked!
  - blasdel 16y ago
    I found the memo from 2003: http://web.archive.org/web/20030210024427/http://www.internalmemos.com/memos/memodetails.php?memo_id=1321 http://web.archive.org/web/20030210024427/http://www.interna... -- this blog thread discussing it is enlightening: http://www.advogato.org/article/624.html http://www.advogato.org/article/624.html
  - slantyyz 16y ago
    I was talking about WebObjects.
- jonhendry 16y ago
  That might have been when WebObjects was still using Objective-C.
  - slantyyz 16y ago
    Our coders wrote their code in Java.

umjames 16y ago

Last I heard, and this was around the switch to Intel (2005?), the iTunes store and online web store are run off of WebObjects. Apple probably saw that outside web developers weren't using WebObjects enough to continue supporting it externally. That doesn't mean that they aren't using it (and maybe building on it) internally. I don't think it's that you can't use WebObjects anymore outside of Apple, it's that most people don't (not even in the Java community).