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Is there anyone who the Chinese government punished for tax evasion who turned out to be not cheating on their taxes? Selective enforcement is one thing. Fabric

Is there anyone who the Chinese government punished for tax evasion who turned out to be not cheating on their taxes? Selective enforcement is one thing. Fabricating charges is worse.

emodendroket 8y ago
And selective, exemplary enforcement is not a phenomenon unknown outside of China.
toyg 8y ago
Potato, potato. In the USSR, anything you said could be interpreted as anti-revolutionary if it criticised the boss in any way; and plenty of people were privately criticising, but it was brought up only against the ones who had to be purged. Similarly, in China today, everyone who is anyone in the apparatus is cheating taxes in some way, but it's brought up only if they become a problem for the leadership for some other reason.
- emodendroket 8y ago
  And here in the US, people routinely violate rules about registering as a foreign agent and have for a long time, but suddenly it's an issue and we lock up Maria Butina for what seem like mostly political reasons. Our tax fraud cases are also, I'd suspect, getting only a fraction of the tax cheats.
- 794CD01 8y ago
  Not having firsthand experience as a person who is someone in the Chinese government apparatus, it sounds like it should be possible to just pay the tax you owe. But hey, maybe that kind of thinking is why I have no political power.
  - emodendroket 8y ago
    Depending on what you did, you can go to jail for cheating on your taxes in the US too. Which is as it should be -- if the penalty is just that you have to pay what you owed then the expected value of fraud is positive and it's only logical to just always cheat and then only pay when you get caught.
    - toyg 8y ago
      > you can go to jail for cheating on your taxes in the US too. Jailing after trial and due public process is one thing, "disappearing" people is another.
      - emodendroket 8y ago
        That's true, but not the suggestion I was replying to.

Is there anyone who the Chinese government punished for tax evasion who turned out to be not cheating on their taxes? Selective enforcement is one thing. Fabricating charges is worse.

emodendroket 8y ago

And selective, exemplary enforcement is not a phenomenon unknown outside of China.

toyg 8y ago

Potato, potato. In the USSR, anything you said could be interpreted as anti-revolutionary if it criticised the boss in any way; and plenty of people were privately criticising, but it was brought up only against the ones who had to be purged. Similarly, in China today, everyone who is anyone in the apparatus is cheating taxes in some way, but it's brought up only if they become a problem for the leadership for some other reason.

emodendroket 8y ago
And here in the US, people routinely violate rules about registering as a foreign agent and have for a long time, but suddenly it's an issue and we lock up Maria Butina for what seem like mostly political reasons. Our tax fraud cases are also, I'd suspect, getting only a fraction of the tax cheats.
794CD01 8y ago
Not having firsthand experience as a person who is someone in the Chinese government apparatus, it sounds like it should be possible to just pay the tax you owe. But hey, maybe that kind of thinking is why I have no political power.
- emodendroket 8y ago
  Depending on what you did, you can go to jail for cheating on your taxes in the US too. Which is as it should be -- if the penalty is just that you have to pay what you owed then the expected value of fraud is positive and it's only logical to just always cheat and then only pay when you get caught.
  - toyg 8y ago
    > you can go to jail for cheating on your taxes in the US too. Jailing after trial and due public process is one thing, "disappearing" people is another.
    - emodendroket 8y ago
      That's true, but not the suggestion I was replying to.