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Just admit it's not bad :D

by mateuszf 8y ago

dgritsko 8y ago
It's pretty bad.
jsight 8y ago
Ok, its not bad. Its dreadful.
- jimmy1 8y ago
  It's a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night. It's a horrible Star Wars film.
  - krapp 8y ago
    But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. The franchise has never aspired to be anything else. And I'd rather they at least take some risks than continue to regurgitate the OT. If you ignore all of the nonsense from redpillers about SJWs and Kathleen Kennedy turning it into anti-male propaganda, I feel like many of the the remaining criticisms of the film, while subjectively legitimate, can be applied in general to the other films as well.
    - da_chicken 8y ago
      I agree, we should ignore the gender politics of this movie and it's detractors and that whole argument entirely. That has nothing to do with whether the movie is any good. > But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. Yes, but it's also supposed to be a continuing story. It's a serialized, epic, swashbuckling space opera. While TLJ is still a space opera, it doesn't follow the same tone and the story doesn't follow the same beats. It's fine if you want to tell a story like TLJ about disillusionment and being disappointed with your heroes and discovering that the real world isn't about one ship destroying the Death Star. But taking that story and putting it in the Star Wars universe as a main entry in the series doesn't work. That's not what people want to see in a Star Wars movie. People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star! You can't take any story with any characters and any plot elements and place it in the Star War Universe and magically have a Star Wars movie. It's the same reason you can't just have a movie with a Deloran and time travel and make a Back to the Future movie. It's the same reason the Ghostbusters remake was bad. It's the same reason the Mad Max remake was good. It's the same reason Infinity War was good. It's the same reason Batman v Superman was bad. You have to have some respect for the tone, themes, and plots of what came before. TLJ disrespects it's audience's desires by disrespecting the draw of the source material.
      - gamblor956 8y ago
        People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star! I'm reminded of that scene in the Empire Strikes Back where they destroyed a Death Star. Oh wait! They didn't. Because in the middle movie of most trilogies, bad things happen to the heroes. They fail. They reach rock bottom, and the third movie is their final struggle. You can't take any story with any characters and any plot elements and place it in the Star War Universe and magically have a Star Wars movie. That's exactly what they did with Rogue One. Worked very well. In contrast, Solo was done in the style of the traditional SW movies and is generally acknowledged as a failure. It's the same reason the Mad Max remake was good...You have to have some respect for the tone, themes, and plots of what came before. TLJ disrespects it's audience's desires by disrespecting the draw of the source material. Mad Max Fury Road was completely inconsistent, tonally and other wise, with the original Mad Max, and is a direct descendant of the campiness of Beyond Thunderdome. Batman v Superman, on the other hand, ws made with the same tones, themes, and plots as the other DC Synderverse movies, and was still quite terrible. Aliens and Alien are both considered terrific, genre-defining films. Yet Aliens has very little in common with Alien other than Ripley and the xenomorph. The same can be said of Terminator and T2. Harry Potter 3 and on have little tonally in common with the first two films, yet the third is considered one of the best in the series. Etc...
      - krapp 8y ago
        >People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star! Speak for yourself... I've seen that three times already (Starkiller Base is just a really big Death Star,) I don't need to see it again. I'm an adult fan, I do want to see a bit of depth in my space opera. I want heroes who doubt themselves and grey morality and villains I can sympathize with, at least a little, if not agree with. You can have swashbuckling and sturm und drang, that's why it's called "space opera." It's just a matter of taste whether or not people want the formula. I hate the prequels, but I know fans who like them, and (as much as I don't want to admit it) there are fans who consider them superior to the originals. I can understand why some people don't like Last Jedi, but I don't think it deserves the degree of hate that it gets, and I suspect that it will be looked on more favorably in hindsight. Although that probably depends on how well Episode IX does.

Just admit it's not bad :D

dgritsko 8y ago

It's pretty bad.

jsight 8y ago

Ok, its not bad. Its dreadful.

jimmy1 8y ago
It's a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night. It's a horrible Star Wars film.
- krapp 8y ago
  But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. The franchise has never aspired to be anything else. And I'd rather they at least take some risks than continue to regurgitate the OT. If you ignore all of the nonsense from redpillers about SJWs and Kathleen Kennedy turning it into anti-male propaganda, I feel like many of the the remaining criticisms of the film, while subjectively legitimate, can be applied in general to the other films as well.
  - da_chicken 8y ago
    I agree, we should ignore the gender politics of this movie and it's detractors and that whole argument entirely. That has nothing to do with whether the movie is any good. > But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. Yes, but it's also supposed to be a continuing story. It's a serialized, epic, swashbuckling space opera. While TLJ is still a space opera, it doesn't follow the same tone and the story doesn't follow the same beats. It's fine if you want to tell a story like TLJ about disillusionment and being disappointed with your heroes and discovering that the real world isn't about one ship destroying the Death Star. But taking that story and putting it in the Star Wars universe as a main entry in the series doesn't work. That's not what people want to see in a Star Wars movie. People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star! You can't take any story with any characters and any plot elements and place it in the Star War Universe and magically have a Star Wars movie. It's the same reason you can't just have a movie with a Deloran and time travel and make a Back to the Future movie. It's the same reason the Ghostbusters remake was bad. It's the same reason the Mad Max remake was good. It's the same reason Infinity War was good. It's the same reason Batman v Superman was bad. You have to have some respect for the tone, themes, and plots of what came before. TLJ disrespects it's audience's desires by disrespecting the draw of the source material.
    - gamblor956 8y ago
      People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star! I'm reminded of that scene in the Empire Strikes Back where they destroyed a Death Star. Oh wait! They didn't. Because in the middle movie of most trilogies, bad things happen to the heroes. They fail. They reach rock bottom, and the third movie is their final struggle. You can't take any story with any characters and any plot elements and place it in the Star War Universe and magically have a Star Wars movie. That's exactly what they did with Rogue One. Worked very well. In contrast, Solo was done in the style of the traditional SW movies and is generally acknowledged as a failure. It's the same reason the Mad Max remake was good...You have to have some respect for the tone, themes, and plots of what came before. TLJ disrespects it's audience's desires by disrespecting the draw of the source material. Mad Max Fury Road was completely inconsistent, tonally and other wise, with the original Mad Max, and is a direct descendant of the campiness of Beyond Thunderdome. Batman v Superman, on the other hand, ws made with the same tones, themes, and plots as the other DC Synderverse movies, and was still quite terrible. Aliens and Alien are both considered terrific, genre-defining films. Yet Aliens has very little in common with Alien other than Ripley and the xenomorph. The same can be said of Terminator and T2. Harry Potter 3 and on have little tonally in common with the first two films, yet the third is considered one of the best in the series. Etc...
    - krapp 8y ago
      >People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star! Speak for yourself... I've seen that three times already (Starkiller Base is just a really big Death Star,) I don't need to see it again. I'm an adult fan, I do want to see a bit of depth in my space opera. I want heroes who doubt themselves and grey morality and villains I can sympathize with, at least a little, if not agree with. You can have swashbuckling and sturm und drang, that's why it's called "space opera." It's just a matter of taste whether or not people want the formula. I hate the prequels, but I know fans who like them, and (as much as I don't want to admit it) there are fans who consider them superior to the originals. I can understand why some people don't like Last Jedi, but I don't think it deserves the degree of hate that it gets, and I suspect that it will be looked on more favorably in hindsight. Although that probably depends on how well Episode IX does.