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If the personal is political then we have no refuge from politics. And the only people that say this are the type that want only their specific brands of politi

If the personal is political then we have no refuge from politics. And the only people that say this are the type that want only their specific brands of politics to dominate public and private life.

angry_octet 8y ago
If you're a persecuted minority you don't get time out from being persecuted. If your school's teachers need food stamps to survive you don't have a 'refuge from politics'. If you get sick and can't afford health care you don't have the luxury of 'avoiding politics'. People's politics have consequences, and they should own them.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  No. Living a content life and focusing on your own problems is not political. "The personal is political" is a hyper partisan statement and anyone not on the extreme left would reject this idea wholesale. What this concept implicitly states is that if you're happy and 100% of the human population is not living at your socioeconomic level, then you're making a political statement. It's pure BS.
  - angry_octet 8y ago
    "No", it is you who are tacking additional straw man arguments and then being outraged. By your argument a content slave owner could by proud of his thriving cotton economy, and justifiably believe his political support for this system should have no consequences. If you know you're supporting people that actively try to suppress the rights of your fellow citizens, how can you complain when you are judged for it?
    - malvosenior 8y ago
      > By your argument a content slave owner could by proud of his thriving cotton economy, and justifiably believe his political support for this system should have no consequences. This is the strawman. I said nothing about slave owners. I'm talking about your average, middle class citizen (since that's who's being accused of taking a political stance through inaction). > If you know you're supporting people that actively try to suppress the rights of your fellow citizens, how can you complain when you are judged for it? I and many other people don't "know" that we're supporting people who actively suppress rights. In fact I'll say that I definitely do not.
      - angry_octet 8y ago
        Were those in the slave economy not regular citizens? Did they not elect slave owners to represent them? Help catch runaway slaves? And do white people today still support the mass incarceration of black people? White people have mj prescriptions and black people serve time for selling dime bags. Generations of men are unemployable because of petty crime convictions that were ramped up to be major felonies by 'law and order' Republicans. Police policies specifically targeting black neighbourhoods with zero tolerance arrest strategies. HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THIS
        sctb 8y ago
        Could you please post civil bytes instead of angry ones? This muddled back-and-forth is in need of charity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If the personal is political then we have no refuge from politics. And the only people that say this are the type that want only their specific brands of politics to dominate public and private life.

angry_octet 8y ago

If you're a persecuted minority you don't get time out from being persecuted. If your school's teachers need food stamps to survive you don't have a 'refuge from politics'. If you get sick and can't afford health care you don't have the luxury of 'avoiding politics'. People's politics have consequences, and they should own them.

malvosenior 8y ago
No. Living a content life and focusing on your own problems is not political. "The personal is political" is a hyper partisan statement and anyone not on the extreme left would reject this idea wholesale. What this concept implicitly states is that if you're happy and 100% of the human population is not living at your socioeconomic level, then you're making a political statement. It's pure BS.
- angry_octet 8y ago
  "No", it is you who are tacking additional straw man arguments and then being outraged. By your argument a content slave owner could by proud of his thriving cotton economy, and justifiably believe his political support for this system should have no consequences. If you know you're supporting people that actively try to suppress the rights of your fellow citizens, how can you complain when you are judged for it?
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    > By your argument a content slave owner could by proud of his thriving cotton economy, and justifiably believe his political support for this system should have no consequences. This is the strawman. I said nothing about slave owners. I'm talking about your average, middle class citizen (since that's who's being accused of taking a political stance through inaction). > If you know you're supporting people that actively try to suppress the rights of your fellow citizens, how can you complain when you are judged for it? I and many other people don't "know" that we're supporting people who actively suppress rights. In fact I'll say that I definitely do not.
    - angry_octet 8y ago
      Were those in the slave economy not regular citizens? Did they not elect slave owners to represent them? Help catch runaway slaves? And do white people today still support the mass incarceration of black people? White people have mj prescriptions and black people serve time for selling dime bags. Generations of men are unemployable because of petty crime convictions that were ramped up to be major felonies by 'law and order' Republicans. Police policies specifically targeting black neighbourhoods with zero tolerance arrest strategies. HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THIS
      - sctb 8y ago
        Could you please post civil bytes instead of angry ones? This muddled back-and-forth is in need of charity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html