but now it's no longer a declarative query. What if you want to include grand children? or if you want to fetch just one child but include it's parent and it's

but now it's no longer a declarative query. What if you want to include grand children? or if you want to fetch just one child but include it's parent and it's siblings of another type like a product, it's category and the categories tags: {id: 23, name: 'Trackpad', category: {id: 42, name:'Equipment', tags: [{id:...}, {id:...}]}} Now instead of just adding two joins you have to build a custom loop with hand crafted conditions. Sure you can find a way to generalize that loop and put it into a library but still the query itself is separated from some kind of post processing that has be kept in sync.