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"People are lazy and don't care. They're happy to let the King and nobles be educated, decide, rule them and govern the country." could have said many 3 centuri

"People are lazy and don't care. They're happy to let the King and nobles be educated, decide, rule them and govern the country." could have said many 3 centuries ago. Cue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association. "Because freedom of association necessarily recognizes pluralistic sources of power and organisation, aside from the government, it has been a primary target for repression by all dictatorial societies." And that freedom is rather young (19th century). Hosting/owning data and the processes on them is no different as an exercise of sovereignity. At this point, today, it's more a matter of law (it must be recognized and guaranteed) than a matter of ability (it's possible) or market (it exists). That's where the battle is.

kopo 8y ago
Well put. All the regulation and change Ralph Nader and co managed to make happen didn't take more than a few hundred motivated people - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxc_kYmPTE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxc_kYmPTE People are "lazy and don't care" is dialogue you hear from people who don't have the experience of getting things done.
- uncle_phil 8y ago
  People are lazy and don't care. It's why we are now in a world where either Google or Apple have access to pretty much every piece of data that every person on the planet produces or consumes. The Google Problem in particular is spawned by people wanting free or cheap stuff at any cost. It will take more than a few hundred people to change this now. It's too entrenched.
  - Juliate 8y ago
    Yes they/we are. And more over, they are unaware and/or uneducated. So were they before when literacy and education was limited to nobility and clergy (probably not so much per design, but per means and imagination and interest). And so couldn't understand WHAT general people literacy and education could bring to society as a whole and for every one. It's not a matter of guilt or lazyness. Things take time to enter the mind of one person, even more so the mind of societies. An educational/technological advantage is not always but often a winning one. And that is not an excuse.
  - ABCLAW 8y ago
    People aren't lazy and don't care. People are busy and have other priorities and don't see meaningful gains for investing time and effort in opposing the endless torrent of technofeudalism washing over them. Trying to moralize a co-ordination issue is great way to shift the responsibility for bad things occurring from those doing it to those who failed to resist it.

kopo 8y ago

Well put. All the regulation and change Ralph Nader and co managed to make happen didn't take more than a few hundred motivated people - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxc_kYmPTE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxc_kYmPTE People are "lazy and don't care" is dialogue you hear from people who don't have the experience of getting things done.

uncle_phil 8y ago
People are lazy and don't care. It's why we are now in a world where either Google or Apple have access to pretty much every piece of data that every person on the planet produces or consumes. The Google Problem in particular is spawned by people wanting free or cheap stuff at any cost. It will take more than a few hundred people to change this now. It's too entrenched.
- Juliate 8y ago
  Yes they/we are. And more over, they are unaware and/or uneducated. So were they before when literacy and education was limited to nobility and clergy (probably not so much per design, but per means and imagination and interest). And so couldn't understand WHAT general people literacy and education could bring to society as a whole and for every one. It's not a matter of guilt or lazyness. Things take time to enter the mind of one person, even more so the mind of societies. An educational/technological advantage is not always but often a winning one. And that is not an excuse.
- ABCLAW 8y ago
  People aren't lazy and don't care. People are busy and have other priorities and don't see meaningful gains for investing time and effort in opposing the endless torrent of technofeudalism washing over them. Trying to moralize a co-ordination issue is great way to shift the responsibility for bad things occurring from those doing it to those who failed to resist it.