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The Last Jedi was pretty pretty good to me.

da_chicken 8y ago
The production values were certainly great. It has some issues with pacing, theme consistency, certain plot elements, and characters.
- swarnie_ 8y ago
  I can't believe we're still debating if this movie was good or not....
  - mateuszf 8y ago
    Just admit it's not bad :D
    - dgritsko 8y ago
      It's pretty bad.
    - jsight 8y ago
      Ok, its not bad. Its dreadful.
      - jimmy1 8y ago
        It's a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night. It's a horrible Star Wars film.
        krapp 8y ago
        But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. The franchise has never aspired to be anything else. And I'd rather they at least take some risks than continue to regurgitate the OT. If you ignore all of the nonsense from redpillers about SJWs and Kathleen Kennedy turning it into anti-male propaganda, I feel like many of the the remaining criticisms of the film, while subjectively legitimate, can be applied in general to the other films as well.
        da_chicken 8y ago
        I agree, we should ignore the gender politics of this movie and it's detractors and that whole argument entirely. That has nothing to do with whether the movie is any good. > But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. Yes, but it's also supposed to be a continuing story. It's a serialized, epic, swashbuckling space opera. While TLJ is still a space opera, it doesn't follow the same tone and the story doesn't follow the same beats. It's fine if you want to tell a story like TLJ about disillusionment and being disappointed with your heroes and discovering that the real world isn't about one ship destroying the Death Star. But taking that story and putting it in the Star Wars universe as a main entry in the series doesn't work. That's not what people want to see in a Star Wars movie. People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star! You can't take any story with any characters and any plot elements and place it in the Star War Universe and magically have a Star Wars movie. It's the same reason you can't just have a movie with a Deloran and time travel and make a Back to the Future movie. It's the same reason the Ghostbusters remake was bad. It's the same reason the Mad Max remake was good. It's the same reason Infinity War was good. It's the same reason Batman v Superman was bad. You have to have some respect for the tone, themes, and plots of what came before. TLJ disrespects it's audience's desires by disrespecting the draw of the source material.
        gamblor956 8y ago
        People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star! I'm reminded of that scene in the Empire Strikes Back where they destroyed a Death Star. Oh wait! They didn't. Because in the middle movie of most trilogies, bad things happen to the heroes. They fail. They reach rock bottom, and the third movie is their final struggle. You can't take any story with any characters and any plot elements and place it in the Star War Universe and magically have a Star Wars movie. That's exactly what they did with Rogue One. Worked very well. In contrast, Solo was done in the style of the traditional SW movies and is generally acknowledged as a failure. It's the same reason the Mad Max remake was good...You have to have some respect for the tone, themes, and plots of what came before. TLJ disrespects it's audience's desires by disrespecting the draw of the source material. Mad Max Fury Road was completely inconsistent, tonally and other wise, with the original Mad Max, and is a direct descendant of the campiness of Beyond Thunderdome. Batman v Superman, on the other hand, ws made with the same tones, themes, and plots as the other DC Synderverse movies, and was still quite terrible. Aliens and Alien are both considered terrific, genre-defining films. Yet Aliens has very little in common with Alien other than Ripley and the xenomorph. The same can be said of Terminator and T2. Harry Potter 3 and on have little tonally in common with the first two films, yet the third is considered one of the best in the series. Etc...
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the_clarence 8y ago
It had a lot of special effects, that’s all I can say about this movie. Most people seem to have forgotten about the plot as soon as they stepped out of the theater.
- mateuszf 8y ago
  I liked the story, the houmour and the characters. Can't wait for continuation.
  - tdb7893 8y ago
    Huh, I hated it partially for not being very funny and the characters being generally unlikable (and also just unbelievable in a weird way). It's cool how people can have so different opinions on it, are there any scenes in it you find particularly funny so I can pay close attention when I rewatch it?
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    - stronglikedan 8y ago
      I liked the scene where Luke drinks milk.
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thrower123 8y ago
It's hard to forgive throwing out all the well-explored material in the old Expanded Universe for... this mess.
- krapp 8y ago
  Why would Disney purchase Star Wars only to shackle themselves and filmmakers to decades of convoluted lore, not to mention rights negotiations and royalty payments, to rehash stories that have already been told, and tell them to an audience who, for the most part, couldn't care less?
  - da_chicken 8y ago
    You mean, copy exactly what the same company did with Marvell, the most successful and profitable film franchise in history? You didn't think that those movie plots were original did you? Infinity Gauntlet is from the 70s.
    - gamblor956 8y ago
      Marvel comics are all cannon...And Disney acquired Marvel after it had a history of taking its decades of comics and turning them into movies. The Star Wars EU was not cannon. It was glorified fan-fiction. More importantly, with Marvel there was no need to maintain historical consistency since the comics themselves were continuously rebooted and retconned over decades. With Star Wars, there is only a single continuum.
      - thrower123 8y ago
        Star Wars EU was canon until the Disney purchase. Lucas had to approve everything, and there were efforts to maintain consistency. I'll never be convinced that Thrawn wouldn't have been a better storyline than this complete rehash.
    - krapp 8y ago
      >You didn't think that those movie plots were original did you? Infinity Gauntlet is from the 70s. Yes. The story begins after Thanos already has the gauntlet and has already used it to kill half the universe... because he has a crush on the cosmic embodiment of Death and wants to impress her. I'm glad they didn't film that, it would have been stupid.

The production values were certainly great. It has some issues with pacing, theme consistency, certain plot elements, and characters.

swarnie_ 8y ago
I can't believe we're still debating if this movie was good or not....
- mateuszf 8y ago
  Just admit it's not bad :D
  - dgritsko 8y ago
    It's pretty bad.
  - jsight 8y ago
    Ok, its not bad. Its dreadful.
    - jimmy1 8y ago
      It's a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night. It's a horrible Star Wars film.
      - krapp 8y ago
        But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. The franchise has never aspired to be anything else. And I'd rather they at least take some risks than continue to regurgitate the OT. If you ignore all of the nonsense from redpillers about SJWs and Kathleen Kennedy turning it into anti-male propaganda, I feel like many of the the remaining criticisms of the film, while subjectively legitimate, can be applied in general to the other films as well.
        da_chicken 8y ago
        I agree, we should ignore the gender politics of this movie and it's detractors and that whole argument entirely. That has nothing to do with whether the movie is any good. > But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. Yes, but it's also supposed to be a continuing story. It's a serialized, epic, swashbuckling space opera. While TLJ is still a space opera, it doesn't follow the same tone and the story doesn't follow the same beats. It's fine if you want to tell a story like TLJ about disillusionment and being disappointed with your heroes and discovering that the real world isn't about one ship destroying the Death Star. But taking that story and putting it in the Star Wars universe as a main entry in the series doesn't work. That's not what people want to see in a Star Wars movie. People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star! You can't take any story with any characters and any plot elements and place it in the Star War Universe and magically have a Star Wars movie. It's the same reason you can't just have a movie with a Deloran and time travel and make a Back to the Future movie. It's the same reason the Ghostbusters remake was bad. It's the same reason the Mad Max remake was good. It's the same reason Infinity War was good. It's the same reason Batman v Superman was bad. You have to have some respect for the tone, themes, and plots of what came before. TLJ disrespects it's audience's desires by disrespecting the draw of the source material.
        gamblor956 8y ago
        People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star! I'm reminded of that scene in the Empire Strikes Back where they destroyed a Death Star. Oh wait! They didn't. Because in the middle movie of most trilogies, bad things happen to the heroes. They fail. They reach rock bottom, and the third movie is their final struggle. You can't take any story with any characters and any plot elements and place it in the Star War Universe and magically have a Star Wars movie. That's exactly what they did with Rogue One. Worked very well. In contrast, Solo was done in the style of the traditional SW movies and is generally acknowledged as a failure. It's the same reason the Mad Max remake was good...You have to have some respect for the tone, themes, and plots of what came before. TLJ disrespects it's audience's desires by disrespecting the draw of the source material. Mad Max Fury Road was completely inconsistent, tonally and other wise, with the original Mad Max, and is a direct descendant of the campiness of Beyond Thunderdome. Batman v Superman, on the other hand, ws made with the same tones, themes, and plots as the other DC Synderverse movies, and was still quite terrible. Aliens and Alien are both considered terrific, genre-defining films. Yet Aliens has very little in common with Alien other than Ripley and the xenomorph. The same can be said of Terminator and T2. Harry Potter 3 and on have little tonally in common with the first two films, yet the third is considered one of the best in the series. Etc...
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the_clarence 8y ago

It had a lot of special effects, that’s all I can say about this movie. Most people seem to have forgotten about the plot as soon as they stepped out of the theater.

mateuszf 8y ago
I liked the story, the houmour and the characters. Can't wait for continuation.
- tdb7893 8y ago
  Huh, I hated it partially for not being very funny and the characters being generally unlikable (and also just unbelievable in a weird way). It's cool how people can have so different opinions on it, are there any scenes in it you find particularly funny so I can pay close attention when I rewatch it?
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  - stronglikedan 8y ago
    I liked the scene where Luke drinks milk.
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thrower123 8y ago

It's hard to forgive throwing out all the well-explored material in the old Expanded Universe for... this mess.

krapp 8y ago
Why would Disney purchase Star Wars only to shackle themselves and filmmakers to decades of convoluted lore, not to mention rights negotiations and royalty payments, to rehash stories that have already been told, and tell them to an audience who, for the most part, couldn't care less?
- da_chicken 8y ago
  You mean, copy exactly what the same company did with Marvell, the most successful and profitable film franchise in history? You didn't think that those movie plots were original did you? Infinity Gauntlet is from the 70s.
  - gamblor956 8y ago
    Marvel comics are all cannon...And Disney acquired Marvel after it had a history of taking its decades of comics and turning them into movies. The Star Wars EU was not cannon. It was glorified fan-fiction. More importantly, with Marvel there was no need to maintain historical consistency since the comics themselves were continuously rebooted and retconned over decades. With Star Wars, there is only a single continuum.
    - thrower123 8y ago
      Star Wars EU was canon until the Disney purchase. Lucas had to approve everything, and there were efforts to maintain consistency. I'll never be convinced that Thrawn wouldn't have been a better storyline than this complete rehash.
  - krapp 8y ago
    >You didn't think that those movie plots were original did you? Infinity Gauntlet is from the 70s. Yes. The story begins after Thanos already has the gauntlet and has already used it to kill half the universe... because he has a crush on the cosmic embodiment of Death and wants to impress her. I'm glad they didn't film that, it would have been stupid.