I'm sure they'll still ship with a JRE. The issue has always been that Apple has maintained their own JRE code base, while Sun had maintained all of the other

I'm sure they'll still ship with a JRE. The issue has always been that Apple has maintained their own JRE code base, while Sun had maintained all of the other JRE's for the other OS's. I've been doing Java dev on OS X since OS X came to be, and it's always had problems. Apple was constantly late in implementing features that were in all of the other JRE's, and it was a real pain to deal with across the different OS's.